Fri, 08/22/2008 - 6:22pm

If this were a backdraft situation( what happens is the fire uses all the available oxygen in the structure causing it to die out and smoulder, the heat and smoke are unable to escape and then the introduction of oxygen into the atmosphere causes a very violent explosion) the police could have killed the family, themselves, not to mention the possiblity of burning down the whole complex. Even though saving the day was very brave, it was just as stupid. Did they happen to notice if the windows had smoke in them, and if so what color it is? Would they know what to do then? It is called scene size up, get a clue. When they were dispatched to an audible alam call they arrived on scene, heard a fire alarm and didnt call they fire dept until the front door was forced with a haligen bar bieng meet with smoke. Use your heads boys if things went sour you all would lose your jobs by not following protocol. a firefighter

Mon, 07/28/2008 - 7:02am

CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG!!!!!!!!

Sat, 07/26/2008 - 9:51am

sat 921 comment what we do is a real fire fighter position paid or not you are always welcome to join and because one *** tell someone to stop by the firehouse we all are
as you say willing to engage in violence i do not think so. The police ,fire and anyone else do work together it is chatting like this that starts *** and snowballs into a problem so what I do as a volunteer is to help others and it makes me feel good what the police do is to help others paid or not and they did there job so did I . I do not care what anyone writes but if you want to open your mouth put a name with it or better yet walk in the shoes of both sides and you will see how it is done. Yes I will say a good job was done by all involved.

Sat, 07/26/2008 - 9:39am

ME PERSONALLY I DON'T GIVE A DARN WHO GET'S MY WIFE OR KIDS OUT OF A SMOKE FILLED ROOM OR IF IT'S BURNING FULL TILT, EITHER IT POLICE, FIRE OR THE CREW ON THE TRASH TRUCK. I WOULD BE GRATEFUL FOR ANY HELP AT THAT TIME.
SEEMS LIKE A *** CONTEST BETWEEN THE TWO DEPARTMENTS HERE.
I SUGGEST EVERYONE HOLD THIER BREATH FOR AS LONG AS YOU POSSIBLY CAN TILL YOU CAN'T HOLD IT ANYMORE...................................NOW KEEP HOLDING IT FOR ANOTHER MINUTE ! SO WHICHEVER DEPT GETS THERE 1ST WHETHER IT BE P.D./ F.D.
OR THE D.P.W. PLEASE HELP MY FAMILY THANK YOU!

Sat, 07/26/2008 - 9:21am

OK, after the fireman just told the fire squirrel commentor to come on by the fire house and say that I now agree. These guys are full of testoserone that are apparently willing to engage in v iolence over a comment. I agree with the others now, you guys really do have issues and seem to be a bit jealous of the PD stealing your wind . Get over it fella's, since 911 tou guys want to ride on the coat tails of the fallen in NY. Aint gonna happen here but you can go apply there for a real fire fighter posistion.

Sat, 07/26/2008 - 7:53am

When the stuff hits the fan Both police Fire and whoever else is needed work together we can sit and write whatever we want but the job gets done. I think both group did the job that was needed to be done period. I am with Townbank and if any member of the public has a concern with any members driving tell us we cannot fix a problem if we are not aware of it. WE do take it very serious

Fri, 07/25/2008 - 8:23pm

I think the point 7/24 is trying to make that the police dept. should utilize the fire dept. more often.Many calls come in for smoke or fire alarms and they send the cops.And for the comment about bluelighters, doesn't lower have blue lights on their cars.339pm stop by the fire house any monday night at 7pm and use that term fire squirrel.

Fri, 07/25/2008 - 6:36pm

To the 2:26 hrs writer. You are exactly what I was refering too I do believe. The 10:06 am writer is the kind of fireman that makes you and the other responsible firefighters look bad. I have to imagine that he is young and invinceable at this time as per his comments. You need to weed these types out. I did not coin the lights and siren comments, i have heard it many many times in the past.

Fri, 07/25/2008 - 3:39pm

I am with everyone that had something to say about the post with the cops waiting outside for them to get there....By the time you guys get there the whole house could of burnt down as for the ppl inside.... No cop is going to sit outside knowing there are ppl inside and watch that house burn down common sense buddy.... Stop complaing its not there fault you are all fire squirrels!! They dont think about whats going to happen to them all there thinking about it getting everyone out of that house safe..... Good job LTPD once again a job well done.

Fri, 07/25/2008 - 3:37pm

I can't believe the nerve of some people, you are all missing the big picture. Firefighters and Police Officers all have the same goal, to protect and save lives and property. The only difference is that firefighters are not paid. These people are selfless. They leave their homes and families whenever they are needed, not knowing if they will return. I am grateful for everything they do for our community. The people making the blue light and siren boy comments should try being one of these brave people. Maybe you know you couldn't stomach a deadbody in a car or go inside a house that is on fire, that's why you make such offensive remarks.

Fri, 07/25/2008 - 3:35pm

Wouldn't be an issue if the ***in council could produce a balanced budget and provide us with a paid fire department.

Fri, 07/25/2008 - 2:26pm

To thursday 1006 comment what the h##l is your problem if you were on scene you being a firemen(if you are) would of done the same exact thing. Botton line everyone is ok

To friday 1245 comment I as a firemen agree that these comments make all of us look bad I personally do not like the way you say we cannot wait to turn on the blue lights and drive like an idiot I certainally do not do I get there yes will I hurt someone else or myself doing so no way... I have seen too many times both police & firefighter & rescue driving too fast but there is a need for emergency personal and we do the best we can and that is all anyone can ask for.

Maybe this bull talk would be stopped if we were required to sign on with a name.

Fri, 07/25/2008 - 12:45pm

OMG, i cant beliee the gull of the "fireman" spouter. Listen, if the police stole your fun for the night i dought that was their intentions. The "fireman" mentality rears its ugly head at times and its very degrading to the other firefighters. The cops job is to preserve the safety or life of all of us. Not to sit around waiting for firemen to get there. I would imagine they have the concept of fires and how they act. Its people like the "fireman" spouter thats reassures us what we all hear at times and that is that they cant wait to turn their blue lights on and drive like idiots so that they can get to the big red truck to turn the red lights and sirens on. I am sorry that the police ruined your fun whiner, siren boy.

Fri, 07/25/2008 - 12:37pm

I could not agree with the poster on 7/25/08 @ 5:19AM more. Stop whining. Tell that to the parents of the small child whom Lower Township officers saved by pulling the children from a smoke filled bedroom. One of the officers was burnt pretty good. But the real injuries they all suffered was the fact that they lost one of the children and now they wear that pain in their hearts. So to the *** who thinks cops should wait outside; let the cops know where your family lives so they don't piss you off one night when they have to save your families life. They'll just wait outside!!! Get a life, shut up and stop complaining. If you want to complain so much, join that bunch of complainers with the Lower Township Taxpayers Association.

Fri, 07/25/2008 - 5:19am

If I saw a house on fire with someone still inside and the cop waiting patiently for the volunteer fire company to arrive, I'd shove his badge down his throat. They're first responders, 99% of the time police will get there first. Stop whining.

Thu, 07/24/2008 - 10:06am

I didn't know that they are now teaching basic firefighting principles in the polce academy. I am not knocking the job that these guys do. BUT anyone who has a scanner knows how long the pd played around on scene with this call BEFORE calling the fire dept. As soon as it is determined that there is a "fire alarm" sounding, the FIRE DEPT should be notifyed. By forcing thier way into the apartment they could have killed not only themselves but all of the other occupants in that building. Granted it was only a "pot on stove" fire but if it would have involved the contents of the room I assure you that the result would have been different. When there is a fire in a "sealed" room it will reach a point where it cannot get any bigger due to the lack of oxygen. By introducing a large ammout of fresh air (opening a door) into a room that is full of smoke and combustible gasses a flashover may result. Thus seriously burning, injuring, or even killing anyone in the area. Flashovers kill fireman in full protective turnout gear all the time, let alone someone in regular clothing. People, please leave the fires, alarms, JAWS / /MOTOR VEHICLE ACCIDENTS, and other fire dept rescue calls to the fire dept. We dont spend hundreds of hours training to sit at home and watch other people put themselves in unnecessary danger. Or...... maybe we can start sending fire trucks to bank robberies and cap gun fights...................

Tue, 07/22/2008 - 8:40am

People will talk and let them no one here knows what was going thru the mothers head and yes in a matter of seconds you can and will become disoriented. I am a fireman and have been in smoke filled enviroments it is real easy to lose you bearing the best is to drop to the floor and do not panic and the article states the mother was combative with the officers she knows how lucky she is now. Just like a person drowning they will take a rescuer down with them out of sheer panic, Remember Smoke is no joke get out !!

Mon, 07/21/2008 - 4:38pm

she probaly panicked and was scared along with disoriented due to the smoke.
last week on the gsp wasn't there a crash were the mother thought her baby was in the car? and fire & police searched along the sides of the roads. turned out baby was home with sitter or something? Panic makes people make weird decisions and actions.
as for the french fries maybe she was hungry ? or just got home from work or something. at least the son wasn't home the police did a great job usual
great job ltpd!!

Mon, 07/21/2008 - 3:52pm

The mother probally didnt recall where her child was because she was disoriented. Did you ever think of that???

Mon, 07/21/2008 - 3:46pm

Did you ever get woken up abruptly. Everyone is a little disoriented when it happens. Does it make someone a bad person if they eat french fries at 5:00am. Maybe she works late.

Mon, 07/21/2008 - 2:06pm

I guess we are looking at another DYFS case, but nothing will happen. What was she doing at 5:00 a.m. cooking French Fries? She will probably get MOTHER OF THE YEAR for not knowing where her kid was.

Thu, 09/04/2008 - 9:41am

check out article about affordable rules causing big problems

housinghttp://www.pressofatlanticcity.com/146/story/247605.html

Tue, 08/26/2008 - 8:38pm

Auditors have been going over books at Victorian Towers (another Housing Services Corp property) last two weeks of August. Now they need to look at Haven House and catholic charities/Housing Services of camden and connect dots.

Wed, 08/13/2008 - 7:18pm

Church accountant helps himself, it may be happening here.
http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2007/10/zgoznik_guilty_on_all_counts.htm...

Tue, 08/05/2008 - 4:14pm

http://menendez.senate.gov/newsroom/record.cfm?id=286553

Fri, 08/01/2008 - 10:53am

It has been brought to my attention that many at Haven House don't have internet. Office of Inspector General for HUD (whistle blower office) has a toll free number. 1 (800) 347-3735 and a fax number (202) 708-4829. Call today!

Thu, 07/31/2008 - 11:30am

HUD Whistler blower link.
Don't take it, speak up!
http://www.hud.gov/offices/oig/hotline/

Mon, 07/28/2008 - 8:47am

I wouldn't put my parents in that dive. Seems like a waste of our money to me.

Sun, 07/27/2008 - 8:07am

The "New project manager" in charge of this mess has No construction experience AT ALL (resume is posted in Housing Services Corp documents). That person never worked in trades, never banged a nail, never installed a pipe, never pulled a wire. That person was recently promoted to Regional Development manager. ??????????????

Fri, 07/25/2008 - 11:49am

AUDIT, AUDIT, IAUDIT books of Housing services corp and all properties run by Housing services corp. Things do not appear right. Make sure its a outside accounting firm that does the audit. HSC gets a great deal of money from HUD. Most of it section 202. Victorian Towers is a section 236 thru New Jersey Housing.

Fri, 07/25/2008 - 11:41am

Speak with Tenants of Victorian Towers at 608 washington street Cape May NJ. This is another building run by the Housing Services Corp. Raw sewage backs into apts last 22 years, no one does anything about it. Mold problems, maintenance delayed year after year.

Wed, 07/23/2008 - 11:33am

$11 million dollars is a lot to give a bishop who's already proved he can be bought off by a mere $400k. HUD really overpaid.

Tue, 07/22/2008 - 6:17pm

The Housing services corp of the Camden Dioceses has no idea whats it doing. One of their complexs (Davenport Village) is sinking and entire complex must be torn down. . Stonegate (opened about one year ago) has alot of problems also. HUD should not give this corp any additional money.

Thu, 07/17/2008 - 10:13am

What happens when there's a REAL fire somewhere else and someone's house is burned down because the fire dept was out on a false alarm at Haven House. They should be fined for all these false alarms. Sock them with a big fine - then maybe they'll spend some money to correct the problem.

Wed, 07/16/2008 - 10:27am

How about the 19 fire alarms since the place first opened I hope there never is a real fire at that location the residents are so use to the alarm no one even pays attention to it.

Tue, 07/15/2008 - 5:09am

The state hasn't funded the Higbee beach Tide gate project and that has all the engineering studies and permits, nor will the state fund this Cox Hall Creek project. The money won't be allocated until the states budget crisis eases years from now. The Lwr. MUA has not been involved and hasn't allocated or planned for any public water to the area that might result in saltwater intrusion to private wells.
Why is this project even moving forward without any hopes of funding into the foreseeable future?...To use up any money already allocated to "the Cox Hall Creek study" with designing plans that are not going to be funded and implemented?

Fri, 07/11/2008 - 3:17pm

now a law will be passed, NO drinking of any beverages of any kind while driving.
hope the lady makes a good recovery

Mon, 06/30/2008 - 9:16am

great job bartenders.......drinks must have been stiff!!!!

Sat, 06/28/2008 - 4:57pm

Why does a ferry serve alcohol to a boat full of DRIVERS ????

Sat, 06/28/2008 - 11:04am

Great Job LTPD for catching this guy. Thank God I live in a community where the cops care about the people. Now watch this blog carefully and check out The Spout Off Forum because representatives from the Lower Township Taxpayers Association will complain that there was FOUR cops at the scene.!!

Fri, 06/27/2008 - 8:39pm

We can all be thankful noone was hurt----cudos to the person who reported him--you really helped out--probably saving a lot of innocent people-and the driver himself
good job

Thu, 06/26/2008 - 5:39pm

HE WILL PRBOBLY GET MORE TIME THAT CAMPON WHO STABBED AND KILLED SOME ONE... OH AND HE GETS OUT IN 2 WEEKS!!

Thu, 06/26/2008 - 5:16pm

How much did this guy drink on the Ferry??? Its a 90 minute crossing. Almost emough time to sober up.

Thu, 06/26/2008 - 4:35pm

Good job guys!

Thu, 09/04/2008 - 9:54am

this property is example of everything that is wrong with government projects. Poor materials, poor workmenship and a project manager with no construction experience. Under no circumstance should the Housing Services Corp of Diocese of Camden (The catholic church) be given another cent. They did such a great job caring for your children, why shouldn't we trust the with 12 milliion plus. Wise up folks.

Sun, 06/29/2008 - 12:11pm

For the 3:30 AM poster---you're exactly right...I hear them SR Citizens are procreating at such a rate that our schools will see a significant increase in enrollment 5 years from now!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wed, 06/25/2008 - 12:24pm

wed 6/25 759 comment I hear the alarms were over 16 calls and the time for the construction company personal to respond was over an hour each time. The biggest concern was the people with no management on site I heard the alarm has been fixed But I really hope these seniors know what to do if a real fire does happen.

Wed, 06/25/2008 - 8:50am

3:30 AM Post....more words of wisdom from the Lower Twp Taxpayers Assoc.....Beware of these people...their only concern is getting their million dollar bayfront properties taxes reduced!!!!!!!

Wed, 06/25/2008 - 7:59am

Oh yeah, he cares alright. Ask him how many times the fire department has been there due to faulty fire system in that facility. Probably somewhere near 10 times, and there is never anyone there to let the fireman in to check on the seniors there. All Father Forbes cares about is how much do ra mi the church is taking in their tills.

Wed, 06/25/2008 - 3:30am

Thank you to all the Lower township taxpayers for subsidizing another property tax free building. One more to go.

Tue, 06/24/2008 - 6:33pm

Thank you Bishop Galante for caring about our seniors and opening a beautiful facilty for their well being.

Tue, 06/24/2008 - 5:49pm

When is the Bishop moving in? He's past retirement age after all. I'd bet he'd be good organizing canasta parties.