Wed, 09/03/2008 - 9:21am

Thats middle for ya. So glad Im done with that school.

Sat, 08/30/2008 - 6:22am

Someone needs to keep the gate closed and locked, what good is fence if the gate is wide open.

Sun, 08/24/2008 - 12:53pm

I was out there with the fire company last time this place went up, spent 7 hours there, and had to call out of work the next day because I didnt get to sleep. Even had to go back the next day because the morons light a fire again.

People need to stop their antics with this place and the owners need to run a bulldozer through it and put a good fence up.

Mon, 08/18/2008 - 8:40pm

MICE WITH MATCHES !

Fri, 08/22/2008 - 6:22pm

If this were a backdraft situation( what happens is the fire uses all the available oxygen in the structure causing it to die out and smoulder, the heat and smoke are unable to escape and then the introduction of oxygen into the atmosphere causes a very violent explosion) the police could have killed the family, themselves, not to mention the possiblity of burning down the whole complex. Even though saving the day was very brave, it was just as stupid. Did they happen to notice if the windows had smoke in them, and if so what color it is? Would they know what to do then? It is called scene size up, get a clue. When they were dispatched to an audible alam call they arrived on scene, heard a fire alarm and didnt call they fire dept until the front door was forced with a haligen bar bieng meet with smoke. Use your heads boys if things went sour you all would lose your jobs by not following protocol. a firefighter

Mon, 07/28/2008 - 7:02am

CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG!!!!!!!!

Sat, 07/26/2008 - 9:51am

sat 921 comment what we do is a real fire fighter position paid or not you are always welcome to join and because one *** tell someone to stop by the firehouse we all are
as you say willing to engage in violence i do not think so. The police ,fire and anyone else do work together it is chatting like this that starts *** and snowballs into a problem so what I do as a volunteer is to help others and it makes me feel good what the police do is to help others paid or not and they did there job so did I . I do not care what anyone writes but if you want to open your mouth put a name with it or better yet walk in the shoes of both sides and you will see how it is done. Yes I will say a good job was done by all involved.

Sat, 07/26/2008 - 9:39am

ME PERSONALLY I DON'T GIVE A DARN WHO GET'S MY WIFE OR KIDS OUT OF A SMOKE FILLED ROOM OR IF IT'S BURNING FULL TILT, EITHER IT POLICE, FIRE OR THE CREW ON THE TRASH TRUCK. I WOULD BE GRATEFUL FOR ANY HELP AT THAT TIME.
SEEMS LIKE A *** CONTEST BETWEEN THE TWO DEPARTMENTS HERE.
I SUGGEST EVERYONE HOLD THIER BREATH FOR AS LONG AS YOU POSSIBLY CAN TILL YOU CAN'T HOLD IT ANYMORE...................................NOW KEEP HOLDING IT FOR ANOTHER MINUTE ! SO WHICHEVER DEPT GETS THERE 1ST WHETHER IT BE P.D./ F.D.
OR THE D.P.W. PLEASE HELP MY FAMILY THANK YOU!

Sat, 07/26/2008 - 9:21am

OK, after the fireman just told the fire squirrel commentor to come on by the fire house and say that I now agree. These guys are full of testoserone that are apparently willing to engage in v iolence over a comment. I agree with the others now, you guys really do have issues and seem to be a bit jealous of the PD stealing your wind . Get over it fella's, since 911 tou guys want to ride on the coat tails of the fallen in NY. Aint gonna happen here but you can go apply there for a real fire fighter posistion.

Sat, 07/26/2008 - 7:53am

When the stuff hits the fan Both police Fire and whoever else is needed work together we can sit and write whatever we want but the job gets done. I think both group did the job that was needed to be done period. I am with Townbank and if any member of the public has a concern with any members driving tell us we cannot fix a problem if we are not aware of it. WE do take it very serious

Fri, 07/25/2008 - 8:23pm

I think the point 7/24 is trying to make that the police dept. should utilize the fire dept. more often.Many calls come in for smoke or fire alarms and they send the cops.And for the comment about bluelighters, doesn't lower have blue lights on their cars.339pm stop by the fire house any monday night at 7pm and use that term fire squirrel.

Fri, 07/25/2008 - 6:36pm

To the 2:26 hrs writer. You are exactly what I was refering too I do believe. The 10:06 am writer is the kind of fireman that makes you and the other responsible firefighters look bad. I have to imagine that he is young and invinceable at this time as per his comments. You need to weed these types out. I did not coin the lights and siren comments, i have heard it many many times in the past.

Fri, 07/25/2008 - 3:39pm

I am with everyone that had something to say about the post with the cops waiting outside for them to get there....By the time you guys get there the whole house could of burnt down as for the ppl inside.... No cop is going to sit outside knowing there are ppl inside and watch that house burn down common sense buddy.... Stop complaing its not there fault you are all fire squirrels!! They dont think about whats going to happen to them all there thinking about it getting everyone out of that house safe..... Good job LTPD once again a job well done.

Fri, 07/25/2008 - 3:37pm

I can't believe the nerve of some people, you are all missing the big picture. Firefighters and Police Officers all have the same goal, to protect and save lives and property. The only difference is that firefighters are not paid. These people are selfless. They leave their homes and families whenever they are needed, not knowing if they will return. I am grateful for everything they do for our community. The people making the blue light and siren boy comments should try being one of these brave people. Maybe you know you couldn't stomach a deadbody in a car or go inside a house that is on fire, that's why you make such offensive remarks.

Fri, 07/25/2008 - 3:35pm

Wouldn't be an issue if the ***in council could produce a balanced budget and provide us with a paid fire department.

Fri, 07/25/2008 - 2:26pm

To thursday 1006 comment what the h##l is your problem if you were on scene you being a firemen(if you are) would of done the same exact thing. Botton line everyone is ok

To friday 1245 comment I as a firemen agree that these comments make all of us look bad I personally do not like the way you say we cannot wait to turn on the blue lights and drive like an idiot I certainally do not do I get there yes will I hurt someone else or myself doing so no way... I have seen too many times both police & firefighter & rescue driving too fast but there is a need for emergency personal and we do the best we can and that is all anyone can ask for.

Maybe this bull talk would be stopped if we were required to sign on with a name.

Fri, 07/25/2008 - 12:45pm

OMG, i cant beliee the gull of the "fireman" spouter. Listen, if the police stole your fun for the night i dought that was their intentions. The "fireman" mentality rears its ugly head at times and its very degrading to the other firefighters. The cops job is to preserve the safety or life of all of us. Not to sit around waiting for firemen to get there. I would imagine they have the concept of fires and how they act. Its people like the "fireman" spouter thats reassures us what we all hear at times and that is that they cant wait to turn their blue lights on and drive like idiots so that they can get to the big red truck to turn the red lights and sirens on. I am sorry that the police ruined your fun whiner, siren boy.

Fri, 07/25/2008 - 12:37pm

I could not agree with the poster on 7/25/08 @ 5:19AM more. Stop whining. Tell that to the parents of the small child whom Lower Township officers saved by pulling the children from a smoke filled bedroom. One of the officers was burnt pretty good. But the real injuries they all suffered was the fact that they lost one of the children and now they wear that pain in their hearts. So to the *** who thinks cops should wait outside; let the cops know where your family lives so they don't piss you off one night when they have to save your families life. They'll just wait outside!!! Get a life, shut up and stop complaining. If you want to complain so much, join that bunch of complainers with the Lower Township Taxpayers Association.

Fri, 07/25/2008 - 5:19am

If I saw a house on fire with someone still inside and the cop waiting patiently for the volunteer fire company to arrive, I'd shove his badge down his throat. They're first responders, 99% of the time police will get there first. Stop whining.

Thu, 07/24/2008 - 10:06am

I didn't know that they are now teaching basic firefighting principles in the polce academy. I am not knocking the job that these guys do. BUT anyone who has a scanner knows how long the pd played around on scene with this call BEFORE calling the fire dept. As soon as it is determined that there is a "fire alarm" sounding, the FIRE DEPT should be notifyed. By forcing thier way into the apartment they could have killed not only themselves but all of the other occupants in that building. Granted it was only a "pot on stove" fire but if it would have involved the contents of the room I assure you that the result would have been different. When there is a fire in a "sealed" room it will reach a point where it cannot get any bigger due to the lack of oxygen. By introducing a large ammout of fresh air (opening a door) into a room that is full of smoke and combustible gasses a flashover may result. Thus seriously burning, injuring, or even killing anyone in the area. Flashovers kill fireman in full protective turnout gear all the time, let alone someone in regular clothing. People, please leave the fires, alarms, JAWS / /MOTOR VEHICLE ACCIDENTS, and other fire dept rescue calls to the fire dept. We dont spend hundreds of hours training to sit at home and watch other people put themselves in unnecessary danger. Or...... maybe we can start sending fire trucks to bank robberies and cap gun fights...................

Tue, 07/22/2008 - 8:40am

People will talk and let them no one here knows what was going thru the mothers head and yes in a matter of seconds you can and will become disoriented. I am a fireman and have been in smoke filled enviroments it is real easy to lose you bearing the best is to drop to the floor and do not panic and the article states the mother was combative with the officers she knows how lucky she is now. Just like a person drowning they will take a rescuer down with them out of sheer panic, Remember Smoke is no joke get out !!

Mon, 07/21/2008 - 4:38pm

she probaly panicked and was scared along with disoriented due to the smoke.
last week on the gsp wasn't there a crash were the mother thought her baby was in the car? and fire & police searched along the sides of the roads. turned out baby was home with sitter or something? Panic makes people make weird decisions and actions.
as for the french fries maybe she was hungry ? or just got home from work or something. at least the son wasn't home the police did a great job usual
great job ltpd!!

Mon, 07/21/2008 - 3:52pm

The mother probally didnt recall where her child was because she was disoriented. Did you ever think of that???

Mon, 07/21/2008 - 3:46pm

Did you ever get woken up abruptly. Everyone is a little disoriented when it happens. Does it make someone a bad person if they eat french fries at 5:00am. Maybe she works late.

Mon, 07/21/2008 - 2:06pm

I guess we are looking at another DYFS case, but nothing will happen. What was she doing at 5:00 a.m. cooking French Fries? She will probably get MOTHER OF THE YEAR for not knowing where her kid was.

Wed, 07/30/2008 - 11:02am

Where do i send the bill to restore the gel coat on my boat docked at Light House Pointe marina due to the emmence fall out from the fire?
ps thank to all who made this firework event possible and to the fire and rescue responders.
Captain WAG

Tue, 07/29/2008 - 11:53am

we will pay the bill stone harbor

Thu, 07/24/2008 - 8:16pm

This is from one of the mo's. My facts are straight and I am not guessing about anything. I am and have been educated regarding incident command. Thanks for your input, perhaps , mo' #2 will learn something from your rambling.

Thu, 07/24/2008 - 3:26pm

This is to the response to the two mo's arguing about "incident command" system. The incident command is taught to all emergency responders. It is established at ALL fire calls by the first arriving officer of the fire department. Incident command is not "called for". Just because there wasn't a big fancy suv with "INCIDNET COMMAND" on the window doesn't mean that it was not there. Once again people, get your facts straight and educate yourself before making your best "educated guess" about what is happening. Here you go try starting here www.nimsonline.com/ics_training, then make your comments. As far as DON CABRERA is concerned he should be thankful that he was not removed from that scene with his own silver braclets. Hopefully after the investigation is completed he will get his own pair in the end. Stupid moves can kill people.

Tue, 07/22/2008 - 8:33pm

Whether they were called or not, stone harbors boat was used and WE THANK THEM!!
and WE THANK ALL THE FIRE DEPARTMENTS that were there

Tue, 07/22/2008 - 1:08pm

First of all it's not called scene command it's called incident command....... and I know they were not called.

Tue, 07/22/2008 - 1:00pm

Oh My God !!! The LTTA has not commented on this issue yet!! That's surprising considering there was Lower Police, Lower Rescue, Lower Fire Bureau etc etc on scene....... Maybe because the LTTA all had boats in the Parade and don't want to "Make Waves".... Can't wait to see their reply on this......We all are waiting......

Tue, 07/22/2008 - 10:32am

It was the Crest who put the fireworks on. They also put them on for Seafarer's also. I would like to know if they actually had permits and permission to put these on. If they did you would think that Lower would have been standing by at the scene in case something caught on fire. Wildwood's Fire Dept. is always at the Friday nights fireworks. I live in the Crest and I would like answers. Do we have to pay for this since it was our fault? This isn't the first time the Crest did fireworks and a fire started maybe you shoukd have learned from past experiences. Someone needs to look into the rec department, Mr. Cabrera and the Mayor. We can't do whatever we please, nor should any of you.

Tue, 07/22/2008 - 9:21am

Thank you to all the firefighters who spent long hours making sure that Shawcrest and the marina was safe.
Great job!
You're the Best!!!!

Tue, 07/22/2008 - 8:19am

stone harbor and the other companys that were there were requested by the scene command.

Mon, 07/21/2008 - 10:08pm

Yeah, Stone Harbor was there but who requested them???

Mon, 07/21/2008 - 9:35pm

to the 7:17 PM Poster- Read careful and see if you can put together two seperate thoughts....
1st- from the post of 3:24 -"why would lower not make sure the crest had everything in order before the show ? "

now thought number 2...from the post of 4:44 PM "IF the Crest didn't go to Lower to have the proper permitting completed fornthe Fireworks...how in the world would you expect Lower to know anything about it, let alone
making sure evrything was in order"....

The response had nothing to do with preventing the fire...it was in response to a post from someone probably as stupid as you....so lets see if you qualify....opps...you laready did!

Mon, 07/21/2008 - 7:17pm

There you have it folks from the educated people offshore. If a permit was filed the fire would not have happened. You have solved the problem. You have qualified. For what I don't know, but you qualify. You might want to get the facts straight folks.

Mon, 07/21/2008 - 6:42pm

Is this for real.....my best friends sisters boyfriends brothers girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid whos going with a girl who said.....talk about I heard it through the grapevine.

Mon, 07/21/2008 - 4:44pm

IF the Crest didn't go to Lower to have the proper permitting completed fornthe Fireworks...how in the world would you expect Lower to know anything about it, let alone
making sure evrything was in order. The people at fault here....the Fireworks Display people and the Crest Officials.

Mon, 07/21/2008 - 3:24pm

My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with a girl who said wildwood crest had NO permit to shoot the fireworks off in the 1st place. So, if this being true why would the crest shoot them off on Lower Twp property and why would lower not make sure the crest had everything in order before the show ? why not have fire dept people there during the show ? or wet it all down with the fire boats before one starts with them when the grass is so dry?.
Anyway, Thank you firemen !!!! <3

Mon, 07/21/2008 - 11:49am

Too bad a few houses didn't go up too, as hot ash can be carried in the wind for a ways........... Maybe it's time to cut back on the fireworks.

Mon, 07/21/2008 - 8:46am

fyi.... lower township were not the only firefighters at that scene it took alot of help and dedication from stone harbor firefighters , the forest fire service and north wildwood, also the coastguard.

Mon, 07/21/2008 - 7:10am

I hope Wildwood Crest has to pay the cost of putting that fire out. Its a shame that they were the ones who started the fire with thier fireworks on a island that is not part of thier city than they all go to bed and leave everyone else to deal with it. My hat goes off to the ones who stayed there all hours of the night and most of thier sunday to serve and protect. Next time the fireworks should be lit off at Crest Memorial field that way thier city can burn.

Sun, 07/20/2008 - 9:06pm

If Don Cabrea is the one who gave the police and firefighters a hard time when they arrived he should be fired.Anyone who acts the way he did should not be in charge anything.

Sun, 07/20/2008 - 7:13pm

FYI............ This Fire was in LOWER TOWNSHIP'S AREA and Lower Township Fire Fighters were on the scene for over 12 hours.

Sun, 07/20/2008 - 6:17pm

Thanks to all the Firefighters that spent most of their Sat night and Sun. making sure that nothing lit off on ShawCrest. Some people didnt understand why you guys didnt just swim out there with a hose to put it out. Which shows you how uneducated some people are. Thanks again firefighters.

Sun, 07/20/2008 - 4:36pm

Why would Don Cabrera be fired? This was a boat parade event, Fireworks are what they are, they may catch three week dry plants on fire. That island has a fire almost every time a fireworks event takes place. What is it going to hurt? Nothing. You were probably one of the people enjoying the events on sunset lake free of charge weren't you? Clapping for the fireworks and enjoying maybe a cocktail. Now you want to cut heads off. The stuff on the lake was what Don Cabrera and Wildwood Crest was running. Give me a break! Know what you are saying.

Sun, 07/20/2008 - 2:56pm

ohhh no not the piping plovers.... ....which brings me to my next question... why do they call them piping? are they plumbers ? do they like to clean ppipes?

Sun, 07/20/2008 - 2:41pm

Plovers are crunchy. I like them with lots of ketchup!

Sun, 07/20/2008 - 11:59am

Should Don Cabrea be fired for this episode?

Sun, 07/20/2008 - 11:18am

Beware, plovers are high in cholesterol.

Sun, 07/20/2008 - 10:43am

From what I understand, the smoldering became a huge fire again at 11:00 a.m.

Sun, 07/20/2008 - 10:05am

Its a shame that the city can burn an island that's probably full of piping plovers, but we cant use Champaign Island as a secluded place to relax, BBQ, etc.

Sun, 07/20/2008 - 8:48am

at 9:00 AM the fire was still burning

Sun, 07/20/2008 - 8:08am

the fire is still burning

Sun, 07/20/2008 - 7:43am

I hope whoever posted the comment about the cats, burns in hell....

Sun, 07/20/2008 - 6:51am

Way too funny comments!

Sun, 07/20/2008 - 4:41am

Too bad the island wasn't infested with cats.

Sun, 07/20/2008 - 4:06am

Uninhabited? I could hear the screams of baby Piping Plovers! (...Hmmm, roasted Plover and some fava beans, washed down with a fine Chianti....where is my kayak?)

Sun, 07/20/2008 - 2:55am

At 4:00am the fire is still burning

Fri, 07/25/2008 - 4:54pm

DOUGLASS FOR MAYOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thu, 07/24/2008 - 7:10am

Safety is the most important thing to all of us. We need a Mayor that understands the criminals and the needs of our police department. We are fortunate to have 2 former police officers running in November for Mayor; Harvey Roach and Mike Beck. Both are also experienced councilmen. They are the better choice for Mayor.

Tue, 07/22/2008 - 5:13pm

Why do we need a mayor that understands the police?We need a mayor that understands how to be a MAYOR!!! Lower township does not need beck or roach. You think it's bad now, go ahead vote for them and then we will read all your complaints next year.

Mon, 07/21/2008 - 6:38pm

I am A firefighter and i know that this Addition is not being built with taxpayers dollars it is being built with the money that the villas fire company has worked hard for so stop complaining that it is a waste. Why don't you stop posting on every single comment in the herald and find a life

Fri, 07/18/2008 - 6:51am

For the health, safety and welfare of all the people in Lower Township we need a Mayor that understands criminals and our police, who could be more knowledgeable on law enforcement than a retired police officer? Mike Beck and Harvey Roach are retired police officers. Mr. Douglass, might be good at changing the alternators in the township vehicles, from his experience as Director of the Motor Pool at Bayside; but he has no law enforcement experience. Beck or Roach are the only two candidates to choose for the safety of the people.