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Ramjet



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2013 4:09 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Hey Max let's see your source. Mister broken brain.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/edu_edu_spe-education-spending-of-gdp
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The socialist system in Finland seems to work quite well for they greatly outperform the US in all areas. Do note that Finland does not allow private/charter schools to exists, only socialized/public schools exist in Finland. Note also that all teachers in Finland must have a masters degree, that teachers are the fifth highest paid profession, and that there are more teachers per student than in the US. you may also want to look at what the teachers pay to receive their masters degree in education.
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Ramjet wrote:
The socialist system in Finland seems to work quite well for they greatly outperform the US in all areas. Do note that Finland does not allow private/charter schools to exists, only socialized/public schools exist in Finland. Note also that all teachers in Finland must have a masters degree, that teachers are the fifth highest paid profession, and that there are more teachers per student than in the US. you may also want to look at what the teachers pay to receive their masters degree in education.



Interesting...I just looked this up.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_Finland
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beachnutz wrote:
Ramjet wrote:
The socialist system in Finland seems to work quite well for they greatly outperform the US in all areas. Do note that Finland does not allow private/charter schools to exists, only socialized/public schools exist in Finland. Note also that all teachers in Finland must have a masters degree, that teachers are the fifth highest paid profession, and that there are more teachers per student than in the US. you may also want to look at what the teachers pay to receive their masters degree in education.



Interesting...I just looked this up.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_Finland


It seems that in countries like Finland, the government actually works to be effective for all the people instead of just the ones that can pay them the most.
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sharks-eat-commies wrote:
beachnutz wrote:
Ramjet wrote:
The socialist system in Finland seems to work quite well for they greatly outperform the US in all areas. Do note that Finland does not allow private/charter schools to exists, only socialized/public schools exist in Finland. Note also that all teachers in Finland must have a masters degree, that teachers are the fifth highest paid profession, and that there are more teachers per student than in the US. you may also want to look at what the teachers pay to receive their masters degree in education.



Interesting...I just looked this up.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_Finland


It seems that in countries like Finland, the government actually works to be effective for all the people instead of just the ones that can pay them the most.



They also have a true seperation of church and state not a selective religions vs "the other religions" AND THEY ARE HAPPY!!
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maximus99 wrote:

Your plan about the state taxes going into a fund is just another hoodrat redistribution of wealth scheme. Why don't you pay the fund to the school at the local level? Is that because your people are too lazy to work and pay their share of taxes?


Scheme? No
Ensuring money gets to where it's needed? Yes

Money shouldn't be kept in it's respective district because you have areas like Mahwah where properties are valued at $1 million all over the place and the towns collect property tax bills in the tens of thousands of dollars to pay for all of their services, including eduction. Then you have towns like Wildwood where people can barely afford the $5,000 in taxes only to see that money pay for the eduction of renters and illegals, people with "no skin in the game" as the governor is fond of saying.

I'm not sure who you think "my people" are. Clearly just another racist remark from you. Try making this less about race and more about need and you may not be blind to the fact that uneducated people bring all of society down. I'm certain you'll fail to see the double meaning in that. Laughing
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JerseyDevil wrote:
maximus99 wrote:

Your plan about the state taxes going into a fund is just another hoodrat redistribution of wealth scheme. Why don't you pay the fund to the school at the local level? Is that because your people are too lazy to work and pay their share of taxes?


Scheme? No
Ensuring money gets to where it's needed? Yes

Money shouldn't be kept in it's respective district because you have areas like Mahwah where properties are valued at $1 million all over the place and the towns collect property tax bills in the tens of thousands of dollars to pay for all of their services, including eduction. Then you have towns like Wildwood where people can barely afford the $5,000 in taxes only to see that money pay for the eduction of renters and illegals, people with "no skin in the game" as the governor is fond of saying.


THANKS!! Well said.

I'm not sure who you think "my people" are. Clearly just another racist remark from you. Try making this less about race and more about need and you may not be blind to the fact that uneducated people bring all of society down. I'm certain you'll fail to see the double meaning in that. Laughing
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JerseyDevil wrote:
maximus99 wrote:

Your plan about the state taxes going into a fund is just another hoodrat redistribution of wealth scheme. Why don't you pay the fund to the school at the local level? Is that because your people are too lazy to work and pay their share of taxes?


Scheme? No
Ensuring money gets to where it's needed? Yes

Money shouldn't be kept in it's respective district because you have areas like Mahwah where properties are valued at $1 million all over the place and the towns collect property tax bills in the tens of thousands of dollars to pay for all of their services, including eduction. Then you have towns like Wildwood where people can barely afford the $5,000 in taxes only to see that money pay for the eduction of renters and illegals, people with "no skin in the game" as the governor is fond of saying.

I'm not sure who you think "my people" are. Clearly just another racist remark from you. Try making this less about race and more about need and you may not be blind to the fact that uneducated people bring all of society down. I'm certain you'll fail to see the double meaning in that. Laughing



There is a plan to make sure money gets to where it is needed. It is called going to school and getting a job. Why do the poor destroy schools and look at work as slavery?

If the poor are too lazy to work then why are we spending trillions on education?

If you want to have money like the people in Mahway then put in the work like the people in Mahwah.


Dems hate people who earn money but then want to share that same money. Notice the flaw? Dems want to drink from the well but are too lazy to help dig the well.
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Why not cut through the bull and get to the core problem. The core problem is ethics. Like it or not, when this country was fundamentally Christian and most people went to church, they learned values. They learned about work, sacrifice, compromise, and loving thy neighbor as thyself. It wasn't perfect, the churches weren't perfect. But even the poor had a stronger work ethic and value system than people do today. Yes, morality brings with it certain limitations. Not everything is okay, and being chronically dysfunctional is not an appropriate excuse for living off of the productivity of others. Part of getting ahead in this world is a good education. Some public schools are great, others stink. Get to the core of why? Don't be afraid of the answers either. Deal with them. Stop thinking in terms of " fair" because that is a trap. A trap to keep you looking to others to make your life better rather than to yourself. Wake up! Nothing is fair. Life isn't fair. It never will be. Time to deal with that. Stop thinking that you are entitled to something just because you were born. Each person is responsible for themselves first and their families second. If after those needs are met, you can give to those less fortunate. Everybody gets knocked around in this life one way or another. Develop and nurture whatever gifts you have, find something In your life to be passionate about, and go for it without guilt or expectation, and the world will open itself for you. One other thing, don't quit because the next day may be the day when it all comes together. One other thing, socialism and communism are an evil in this world because they breed complacency, envy, intolerance, and bitterness. Don't forget what happened to the Jews during Hitlers time. They were blamed for all of Germany's problems, they were dehumanized, they were set aside and made the scapegoats. All of their property was seized and millions were tortured and killed. We are very close to making the rich of today the modern day scapegoat. Redistribution is only the first step.
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sorry dharris but you're living in la la land. you are comparing the rich to the jews under Hitler, please stop. the rich have never had it so good, the disparity between the rich and everyone else is worse than it has ever been. the last 20/30 years have been the golden age for the wealthy while middle class wages have gone backwards. what world do you live in? Shocked
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If that's all you have to say in reference to my post...if that's all you got out of it...I feel sorry for you. If you cannot see that the rich are being demonized daily and targeted for jealousy, envy, and ridicule, and that this is a societal poison, you are part of the problem. Any other segment of society so maligned on a daily basis would encourage your sympathy, but the rich can just eat it cause they just plain have too much. I don't live in la la land, you do. Because in your heart of hearts you truly believe that all wealthy people achieved their wealth from either stealing it, inheriting,it, or by enslaving the middle class. You can always site examples of that, but you never talk about the ones that worked their butts off, came up with a better mouse trap and made smarter choices. You will just find another reason to hate. The rise of technology and the Internet is creating today's millionaires. Why not jump on that train.
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Man, I dont even know where to begin, or even should I begin.

The basics of collecting taxes, is for the overall good of the community by paying for services that private sector cant, or won't and by making the community better. Like it or not with a few tweaks that is the core principal of "collecting taxes".

Im not going to get into the church part of these things, cause yes is less of a community that centers around churches. We can pound 50+ pages of forum space debating churches and its role in the community. Trust me for all the positives there are plenty of negatives cause again churches collected money, and not all did was right by it.

But the issues we face today are a IRS tax system that punishes people who earn a little more than last year. it punishes people who get married. It punishes small business for creating a profit on a balance sheet. While Multi-million/billion dollar corporates find loop holes, move profits around, and pay next to nothing compared to their earnings. People over 400K a year pay nothing compared to a husband and wife making 80-150K a year by a percentage of their income. By giving tax cuts to wealthy we went into 2 wars and turned around said wait where is all the cash. Than we had to bail out all the companies that robbed the US Treasury for years on income taxes because we deregulated to much.

Now Congress wants to go after social security again, in wake of all these budget issues. they want to defund PP, and social services, cut funding to states and watch the governors scrabble to find more cuts to make up for that money. We are spinning ourselves into a complete mess cause the wealthy and multi-billion dollars companies want their tax breaks.

Its not about demonizing the rich, but they pay the money to elect our representatives, and we think Congress and the PResident, our state and local officials care about us. Unless your giving thousands of dollars away, going to 50k a plate dinners, cutting checks for 1 million dollars to pacs no one really cares about you. That money is why no one will raise revenue with taxes.

Christ, you want to talk about being christian, we cant even get Congress to raise the funds for school lunch, but still give money to corporate farmers for soy and corn production. before we talk about the problems with welfare and EBT cards, we cant even get our federal funding to feed our children in schools.
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yes, dharris you compared the plight of the "poor" wealthy in this country to the jews under Hitler. sorry but after that whopper the rest of what you had to say had no credibility. Cool
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dharris wrote:
Why not cut through the bull and get to the core problem. The core problem is ethics. Like it or not, when this country was fundamentally Christian and most people went to church, they learned values. They learned about work, sacrifice, compromise, and loving thy neighbor as thyself. It wasn't perfect, the churches weren't perfect. But even the poor had a stronger work ethic and value system than people do today. Yes, morality brings with it certain limitations. Not everything is okay, and being chronically dysfunctional is not an appropriate excuse for living off of the productivity of others. Part of getting ahead in this world is a good education. Some public schools are great, others stink. Get to the core of why? Don't be afraid of the answers either. Deal with them. Stop thinking in terms of " fair" because that is a trap. A trap to keep you looking to others to make your life better rather than to yourself. Wake up! Nothing is fair. Life isn't fair. It never will be. Time to deal with that. Stop thinking that you are entitled to something just because you were born. Each person is responsible for themselves first and their families second. If after those needs are met, you can give to those less fortunate. Everybody gets knocked around in this life one way or another. Develop and nurture whatever gifts you have, find something In your life to be passionate about, and go for it without guilt or expectation, and the world will open itself for you. One other thing, don't quit because the next day may be the day when it all comes together. One other thing, socialism and communism are an evil in this world because they breed complacency, envy, intolerance, and bitterness. Don't forget what happened to the Jews during Hitlers time. They were blamed for all of Germany's problems, they were dehumanized, they were set aside and made the scapegoats. All of their property was seized and millions were tortured and killed. We are very close to making the rich of today the modern day scapegoat. Redistribution is only the first step.


I'm not sure what you're saying here. Are you warning the middle class that they should not expect to have the things they have in other countries with more social minded systems?

You ignore the fact that the money has been flowing in the direction of the rich..right? That redistribution of wealth has been going from the middle class to the rich...right. You do know that the gap between the rich and middle class has been out of control since the 70s...right? That we have the most lopsided income inequality in the developed world...right? You realize that the law allows the rich to pay our leaders to create laws that allow them to take more and more of the money...right? Of course, those laws were payed for by the rich. The rich should be the scapegoats. I'll never understand the mentality at work in someone that is middle class and fights on behalf of the rich, who will take anything they can take from you and are pressuring our leaders to let them do it.

You seem to think that the middle class should just recognize that it's not fair and move on. Then you whine about demonizing the Rich and how unfair that is. I don't know how the holocaust is tied into all of this.
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Robber barons is a derogatory term applied to wealthy and powerful 19th century American businessmen. By the late 1800's, the term was typically applied to businessmen who used what were considered to be exploitative practices to amass their wealth. These practices included exerting control over national resources, accruing high levels of government influence, paying extremely low wages, squashing competition by acquiring competitors in order to create monopolies and eventually raise prices, and schemes to sell stock at inflated prices to unsuspecting investors in a manner which would eventually destroy the company for which the stock was issued and impoverish investors. The term combines the sense of criminal ("robber") and illegitimate aristocracy ("baron").[1]

Rockefeller
Carnegie
Sears
Vanderbilt
Ford
J P Morgan
Kennedy

to name a few.

If you think this started in the 70's, you must have slept through American History class. Our elected officials are among the ranks of the modern day robber barons.
Spending is the problem in Washington DC. Ethics and morals are almost non-existent today.
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Scorpion wrote:
Robber barons is a derogatory term applied to wealthy and powerful 19th century American businessmen. By the late 1800's, the term was typically applied to businessmen who used what were considered to be exploitative practices to amass their wealth. These practices included exerting control over national resources, accruing high levels of government influence, paying extremely low wages, squashing competition by acquiring competitors in order to create monopolies and eventually raise prices, and schemes to sell stock at inflated prices to unsuspecting investors in a manner which would eventually destroy the company for which the stock was issued and impoverish investors. The term combines the sense of criminal ("robber") and illegitimate aristocracy ("baron").[1]

Rockefeller
Carnegie
Sears
Vanderbilt
Ford
J P Morgan
Kennedy

to name a few.

If you think this started in the 70's, you must have slept through American History class. Our elected officials are among the ranks of the modern day robber barons.
Spending is the problem in Washington DC. Ethics and morals are almost non-existent today.


I said that income inequality started going out of conrol in the early 70s. Before that there was a period of relative stability, then picked up again. Now, it is the worst in the developed world. A 2011 study by the CBO found that the top earning 1 percent of households gained about 275% after federal taxes and income transfers over a period between 1979 and 2007, compared to a gain of just under 40% for the 60 percent in the middle of America's income distribution. A big part of this could be because union membership has shrunk to the lowest levels since the 1930s.

The weird thing about that is that only about 40% of Americans know that inequality has increased. You just know they are mostly Republican middle class. There could be no other group of people in the US that think they have it so good, while they are taking a beating. Max is one of these people...and you have guys like Harris on here warning us about how we should be careful about villainizing he rich. Unbelievable.
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sharks-eat-commies wrote:
beachnutz wrote:
Ramjet wrote:
The socialist system in Finland seems to work quite well for they greatly outperform the US in all areas. Do note that Finland does not allow private/charter schools to exists, only socialized/public schools exist in Finland. Note also that all teachers in Finland must have a masters degree, that teachers are the fifth highest paid profession, and that there are more teachers per student than in the US. you may also want to look at what the teachers pay to receive their masters degree in education.



Interesting...I just looked this up.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_Finland


It seems that in countries like Finland, the government actually works to be effective for all the people instead of just the ones that can pay them the most.



THe poor care about education in Finland. Why do the poor destroy schools in the US?

YOu want results like Finland but your people are too lazy to do their share to be like the people in Finland.

How about we adopt all the same policies they have in Finland and then we deport anyone who does not succeed under the new system? No more excuses from hoodrats who fail.
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sharks-eat-commies wrote:
Scorpion wrote:
Robber barons is a derogatory term applied to wealthy and powerful 19th century American businessmen. By the late 1800's, the term was typically applied to businessmen who used what were considered to be exploitative practices to amass their wealth. These practices included exerting control over national resources, accruing high levels of government influence, paying extremely low wages, squashing competition by acquiring competitors in order to create monopolies and eventually raise prices, and schemes to sell stock at inflated prices to unsuspecting investors in a manner which would eventually destroy the company for which the stock was issued and impoverish investors. The term combines the sense of criminal ("robber") and illegitimate aristocracy ("baron").[1]

Rockefeller
Carnegie
Sears
Vanderbilt
Ford
J P Morgan
Kennedy

to name a few.

If you think this started in the 70's, you must have slept through American History class. Our elected officials are among the ranks of the modern day robber barons.
Spending is the problem in Washington DC. Ethics and morals are almost non-existent today.


I said that income inequality started going out of conrol in the early 70s. Before that there was a period of relative stability, then picked up again. Now, it is the worst in the developed world. A 2011 study by the CBO found that the top earning 1 percent of households gained about 275% after federal taxes and income transfers over a period between 1979 and 2007, compared to a gain of just under 40% for the 60 percent in the middle of America's income distribution. A big part of this could be because union membership has shrunk to the lowest levels since the 1930s.

The weird thing about that is that only about 40% of Americans know that inequality has increased. You just know they are mostly Republican middle class. There could be no other group of people in the US that think they have it so good, while they are taking a beating. Max is one of these people...and you have guys like Harris on here warning us about how we should be careful about villainizing he rich. Unbelievable.



You need to check your facts. There was more inequality before the 70s. Just look at the list. I like how you complain about people who inherited their money. Was that money all made after the 70s?
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maximus99 wrote:
sharks-eat-commies wrote:
Scorpion wrote:
Robber barons is a derogatory term applied to wealthy and powerful 19th century American businessmen. By the late 1800's, the term was typically applied to businessmen who used what were considered to be exploitative practices to amass their wealth. These practices included exerting control over national resources, accruing high levels of government influence, paying extremely low wages, squashing competition by acquiring competitors in order to create monopolies and eventually raise prices, and schemes to sell stock at inflated prices to unsuspecting investors in a manner which would eventually destroy the company for which the stock was issued and impoverish investors. The term combines the sense of criminal ("robber") and illegitimate aristocracy ("baron").[1]

Rockefeller
Carnegie
Sears
Vanderbilt
Ford
J P Morgan
Kennedy

to name a few.

If you think this started in the 70's, you must have slept through American History class. Our elected officials are among the ranks of the modern day robber barons.
Spending is the problem in Washington DC. Ethics and morals are almost non-existent today.


I said that income inequality started going out of conrol in the early 70s. Before that there was a period of relative stability, then picked up again. Now, it is the worst in the developed world. A 2011 study by the CBO found that the top earning 1 percent of households gained about 275% after federal taxes and income transfers over a period between 1979 and 2007, compared to a gain of just under 40% for the 60 percent in the middle of America's income distribution. A big part of this could be because union membership has shrunk to the lowest levels since the 1930s.

The weird thing about that is that only about 40% of Americans know that inequality has increased. You just know they are mostly Republican middle class. There could be no other group of people in the US that think they have it so good, while they are taking a beating. Max is one of these people...and you have guys like Harris on here warning us about how we should be careful about villainizing he rich. Unbelievable.



You need to check your facts. There was more inequality before the 70s. Just look at the list. I like how you complain about people who inherited their money. Was that money all made after the 70s?


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You need to check your facts. There was more inequality before the 70s. Just look at the list. I like how you complain about people who inherited their money. Was that money all made after the 70s?


You're flat out wrong about this. There was relative stability during the 40s,50s and 60s. You need to do some research. The gap was again growing by the late 70s and today has grown to it's widest point in since the 30s.

I never said anything about people inheriting money. If you just going to continue making up crazy stuff, I'm not going to respond. There is almost no one that is willing to reply to you now, you should watch yourself, or that will be no one.

Knock off the nonsense.
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sharks-eat-commies wrote:
maximus99 wrote:
sharks-eat-commies wrote:
Scorpion wrote:
Robber barons is a derogatory term applied to wealthy and powerful 19th century American businessmen. By the late 1800's, the term was typically applied to businessmen who used what were considered to be exploitative practices to amass their wealth. These practices included exerting control over national resources, accruing high levels of government influence, paying extremely low wages, squashing competition by acquiring competitors in order to create monopolies and eventually raise prices, and schemes to sell stock at inflated prices to unsuspecting investors in a manner which would eventually destroy the company for which the stock was issued and impoverish investors. The term combines the sense of criminal ("robber") and illegitimate aristocracy ("baron").[1]

Rockefeller
Carnegie
Sears
Vanderbilt
Ford
J P Morgan
Kennedy

to name a few.

If you think this started in the 70's, you must have slept through American History class. Our elected officials are among the ranks of the modern day robber barons.
Spending is the problem in Washington DC. Ethics and morals are almost non-existent today.


I said that income inequality started going out of conrol in the early 70s. Before that there was a period of relative stability, then picked up again. Now, it is the worst in the developed world. A 2011 study by the CBO found that the top earning 1 percent of households gained about 275% after federal taxes and income transfers over a period between 1979 and 2007, compared to a gain of just under 40% for the 60 percent in the middle of America's income distribution. A big part of this could be because union membership has shrunk to the lowest levels since the 1930s.

The weird thing about that is that only about 40% of Americans know that inequality has increased. You just know they are mostly Republican middle class. There could be no other group of people in the US that think they have it so good, while they are taking a beating. Max is one of these people...and you have guys like Harris on here warning us about how we should be careful about villainizing he rich. Unbelievable.



You need to check your facts. There was more inequality before the 70s. Just look at the list. I like how you complain about people who inherited their money. Was that money all made after the 70s?


Quote:
You need to check your facts. There was more inequality before the 70s. Just look at the list. I like how you complain about people who inherited their money. Was that money all made after the 70s?


You're flat out wrong about this. There was relative stability during the 40s,50s and 60s. You need to do some research. The gap was again growing by the late 70s and today has grown to it's widest point in since the 30s.

I never said anything about people inheriting money. If you just going to continue making up crazy stuff, I'm not going to respond. There is almost no one that is willing to reply to you now, you should watch yourself, or that will be no one.

Knock off the nonsense.


How about in the 20s and 30s before? I like how you take a small sample and ignore a larger sample.

Either way I will go with it. How about we eliminate ALL welfare programs that did not excuse in your eutopia of ythe 40s, 50s and 60s? According to YOU there was stability. Let's also cut school funding to an equilivant funding that they had in that era. ARe you on board? Let's also use their healtcare system.

In the 40s-60s people had to work and the current dEms are too lazy to work.
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How about in the 20s and 30s before? I like how you take a small sample and ignore a larger sample.

Either way I will go with it. How about we eliminate ALL welfare programs that did not excuse in your eutopia of ythe 40s, 50s and 60s? According to YOU there was stability. Let's also cut school funding to an equilivant funding that they had in that era. ARe you on board? Let's also use their healtcare system.

In the 40s-60s people had to work and the current dEms are too lazy to work.

Yes indeed, lets use the healthcare system we had then. Of course that would mean we'd have to make it affordable, which it was then and that would mean we'd have to castrate the insurance industry who has more to say about the care you get than you or your doctor.

Cutting school funding would involve eliminating much of the advances we've made in education and society. No more technology in the classrooms, which would be great to make our eventual workforce dumber (read: justify cutting wages even further). It would also eliminate a lot of the programs that are in place to help students with learning disabilities or immigrant students who don't speak English as a first language. Of course taking a cue from the 40s to 60s would also imply going back to segregated schools, which I'm certain Max wouldn't mind.

As for working? Yes, lets get back to the 40s-60s. Unions weren't getting dumped on like they are today by the politicians who point to them as they pick your pockets. I believe there were a few laws passed during that era that favored union membership. Those were the days when middle class, working families could actually afford a home, a car and children, and vacations (without drowning in debt!)

So, aside from your dismantling of the educational system and common decency by shipping minorities and special needs students to their own schools, I'm all for it. Lets turn back the clock.
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You make too much sense JD. Laughing

I'd love to go back to the 40-60's, where any Dad made enough money to allow Mom to stay home and raise the children. When unlawful aliens were still being deported and migrant farm workers on visas were welcomed. Jobs were plentiful and the employers were actually loyal to the employees, treated them well and paid them a liveable wage with benefits. No mass company relocations overseas or outsourcing American jobs.
Yup....it was the best of times........except for the Vietnam war....but then again, how many wars do we have going on now?
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JerseyDevil wrote:
maximus99 wrote:

How about in the 20s and 30s before? I like how you take a small sample and ignore a larger sample.

Either way I will go with it. How about we eliminate ALL welfare programs that did not excuse in your eutopia of ythe 40s, 50s and 60s? According to YOU there was stability. Let's also cut school funding to an equilivant funding that they had in that era. ARe you on board? Let's also use their healtcare system.

In the 40s-60s people had to work and the current dEms are too lazy to work.

Yes indeed, lets use the healthcare system we had then. Of course that would mean we'd have to make it affordable, which it was then and that would mean we'd have to castrate the insurance industry who has more to say about the care you get than you or your doctor.

Cutting school funding would involve eliminating much of the advances we've made in education and society. No more technology in the classrooms, which would be great to make our eventual workforce dumber (read: justify cutting wages even further). It would also eliminate a lot of the programs that are in place to help students with learning disabilities or immigrant students who don't speak English as a first language. Of course taking a cue from the 40s to 60s would also imply going back to segregated schools, which I'm certain Max wouldn't mind.

As for working? Yes, lets get back to the 40s-60s. Unions weren't getting dumped on like they are today by the politicians who point to them as they pick your pockets. I believe there were a few laws passed during that era that favored union membership. Those were the days when middle class, working families could actually afford a home, a car and children, and vacations (without drowning in debt!)

So, aside from your dismantling of the educational system and common decency by shipping minorities and special needs students to their own schools, I'm all for it. Lets turn back the clock.


Let's do it. I have already suggested it numerous times. One of the main reasons i healthcare was affordable is because the hospitals did not have to give out emergency service to hoodrats who did not pay. Are you still on board?
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barracuda wrote:
You make too much sense JD. Laughing

I'd love to go back to the 40-60's, where any Dad made enough money to allow Mom to stay home and raise the children. When unlawful aliens were still being deported and migrant farm workers on visas were welcomed. Jobs were plentiful and the employers were actually loyal to the employees, treated them well and paid them a liveable wage with benefits. No mass company relocations overseas or outsourcing American jobs.
Yup....it was the best of times........except for the Vietnam war....but then again, how many wars do we have going on now?



Did your dad work or did he stand on the basketball court all day playing hoops with kids? Why do the hoodrats stand on the corners busting rhymes while your dad was working? Did your parents destroy schools like today's inner city Dems?
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Let's do it. I have already suggested it numerous times. One of the main reasons i healthcare was affordable is because the hospitals did not have to give out emergency service to hoodrats who did not pay. Are you still on board?

I'm on board with not giving illegals and people who refuse to work benefits most people can't afford without employers providing. If you'd only learn to stop being so racist about it, I think you'll find you get more support and a modicum of respect. Illegals, however, are only a part of the problem with healthcare costs. Insurance companies have had Carte Blanche to do as they please to ensure their own profitability. That's why American invented, produced and distributed drugs cost more here than they do when exported to Canada and Mexico.
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