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GrassySound



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 06, 2011 9:22 pm    Post subject: Rio Grande Carvel/Cinnabon Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

After being a loyal customer since they opened, I drove up yesterday to find everything closed, and two 'for rent' signs. Anyone know the scoop about the sudden closure?
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freddy



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 06, 2011 9:25 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I think the owners and employees all exploded.
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Panthers1st3pointer



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 06, 2011 10:44 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

really tough business, I'm not shocked they went under. There's not much money left after you pay all of your expenses and employees. Tons of comp just over the bridge during the summer. I owned an ice cream parlor one time, lasted two years and had to fold up shop. It takes a lot of sales to make it. We paid our employees 7.00 per hr but after all of the taxes and other :: bologna :: an employer must match, they really cost about 11 dollars an hour each. DO YOUR RESEARCH thoroughly before you ever attempt to engage in any brick and mortar business. There are things you don't think of until you're already open!
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LSMFT



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 5:28 am    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Rolling Eyes It's especially difficult to survive in the ice cream market. That buisness really takes a licking! Laughing
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Jets Sanchez



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 8:43 am    Post subject: Re: Rio Grande Carvel/Cinnabon Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

GrassySound wrote:
After being a loyal customer since they opened, I drove up yesterday to find everything closed, and two 'for rent' signs. Anyone know the scoop about the sudden closure?

As of 2011,Obama Care Requires that if you do not give your employees health benefits, you will be fined by the IRS $2,500.00 per employee.
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Panthers1st3pointer



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 12:43 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

OBAMACARE was written by a bunch of people who have absolutely NO PRIVATE SECTOR experience! These people think "business owners" are all filthy rich. I'm shocked at how poor of an education they all received from the IVY LEAGUE towers. Any basic Economics course will teach you the ill effects that even a 1.00 tax will have on ELASTIC firms. What OBAMA proposes is a nuclear bomb in economics! Most business's operate on very small profit margins. Whenever the government puts an undo burden on a company, it's the employees and the general public that ultimately get hurt. Business owners do NOT have to stay in any business and most will begin to pack up shop. I have to believe that OBAMA and his cronies KNOW THIS! They went to great schools (so surely they learned simple economic theory) and their entire agenda must be to force out private companies from the insurance field as well as collapse as many private sector jobs as possible. This would make the sheeple scream for more SOCIALISM. The man can't be as dumb as his policy's would indicate, he clearly wants to collapse Capitalism and force people to depend on him and his government elected :: fools ::. Any intervention by government into the FREE MARKET usually ends in disaster. FREE MARKET and the INVISIBLE HAND are flawless, it's government intervention that ruins the fruits of Capitalism.
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jawas



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 1:01 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

you have to have more than 50 employees to be forced to offer all employees heaalthcare. What most people dont understand is how prohealthcare companies the "Obamacare" thing is. Without a public option the healthcare reform law does little to reform anything.

Also, if any business owner wants to get healthcare through their small business they already have to offer healthcare to all their employees or they dont qualify. The number 50 employees is also another pro healthcare number, once you reach 50 employees in your business plan, healthcare companies have to approve more expensive procedures that they can by law deny, when your under 50 employess. SO what happened in the "healthcare obamacare reform" a formula was put in motion, to allow businesses with more than 50 employees to not have to count the 1st 10 employees and than part time employees dont count as 1 employee they count as a fraction of 1 employee. This make business look like the bad guys by being able to get under the 50 number, but it allows healthcare companies to dogde the higher payouts with the 50 or more healthcare options enforce by most state laws.

Again I am only a small business owner that has been dealing with healthcare companines for the last 15 years for my employees and my business. Healthcare is a mess.
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Ramjet



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 3:17 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

jawas wrote:
you have to have more than 50 employees to be forced to offer all employees heaalthcare. What most people dont understand is how prohealthcare companies the "Obamacare" thing is. Without a public option the healthcare reform law does little to reform anything.

Also, if any business owner wants to get healthcare through their small business they already have to offer healthcare to all their employees or they dont qualify. The number 50 employees is also another pro healthcare number, once you reach 50 employees in your business plan, healthcare companies have to approve more expensive procedures that they can by law deny, when your under 50 employess. SO what happened in the "healthcare obamacare reform" a formula was put in motion, to allow businesses with more than 50 employees to not have to count the 1st 10 employees and than part time employees dont count as 1 employee they count as a fraction of 1 employee. This make business look like the bad guys by being able to get under the 50 number, but it allows healthcare companies to dogde the higher payouts with the 50 or more healthcare options enforce by most state laws.

Again I am only a small business owner that has been dealing with healthcare companines for the last 15 years for my employees and my business. Healthcare is a mess.


You are the first person on here that seems to have an idea of how healthcare for small business works ( at least for you). Politics aside ,in your opinion are the new health care regulations better or worse or is it a wash for small business.
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Prayin_Mantis



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 7:16 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Ramjet wrote:
Politics aside ,in your opinion are the new health care regulations better or worse or is it a wash for small business.


Other than the death panels, all is just dandy Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes
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sunny1017



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 09, 2011 11:26 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I never went there! That :: bologna :: is full of fat and calories!
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jawas



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 10:16 am    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

What I know comes from experience with having a small business healthcare plan, what my accounting service has figured out as far as how the healthcare bill will effect my business and a restaraunt assoc. I belong to, that has a lawyer that gives us a legal brief on who and when is effected by this bill.

A lot of what this does, is really pro-healthcare companies with the exception of not allowing them to turn down pre-exsisting conditions. What this bill forces healthcare on will be companies that have 50 or more employees. (again, they set up the clause to be able to reduce the amount of employees)

When I tried to get private healthcare, when I bought my business, I couldnt afford what they wanted for a single person. When we applied under a small business, it was expensive but affordable. Now every year we have to submit payroll forms and they tell me who I have to offer coverage to, and how many people must be covered or I loose my healthcare. Luckly most of my employees have healthcare through a spouse or other means. The problem is, if I hire enough full time people without healthcare they have to take healthcare or I loose mine to keep the ratio of how many employed versus how many have coverage. The problem is the bottom level of care would be a 50/50 split out of my pocket and out of the employees check, the bottom level coverage is 300 per month. Most employees cant loose 150 dollars of their paycheck to pay 50% of their healthcare.

The biggest changes were they passed laws that a single owner breaking up his company into different corporations counts as 1 business. So you cant have each business location under a different corp enity and go under 50 employees, each corporation you own, goes into the pool. Now a lot of legal work with minority ownership etc, will put this into a huge legal mess.

Also the menu labeling laws, that only effect chains, and not small restaruants. Than there is the 1099 mess that they put into this bill that will drive everyone crazy and this might be repealed, cause everytime I buy something from any business for my business over $600 dollars they have to do a 1099 IRS form.


The main thing most people dont understand is, Insurance companies take your money and work against you. If your in a car accident, they would rather work with the other insurance company and limit both their losses and pass it on to the insured. If you get sick they rather not pay, or make it so difficult to get payment for services that you give up. Or just cherry pick healthly people to pay high monthly costs, while denying coverage to sick people. Laws are passed to protect insurance companies and NOT US.

The public option, while I am not educated to know the whole cost to the govt, was a huge problem for healthcare companies. They spent a lot of money calling it socialism, cause it would have been a major price competitor. They didnt want that. So they scared the public into believing all sorts of lies. Again, I am not saying a public option would be cheap on the govt, but it would have brought the healthcare cash cow to it knees when people could just opt into a big pool of govt healthcare instead of private insurance.

Now I know 1st hand what this like in other countries. My wives family is in a country where this option exsists. They have money and have private insurance and private doctors, and they have access to private hospital rooms. If you dont have private insurance, your going to the poorly run govt hospital and your room will be full of 6 other people, and your treatment will be limited and your chance of living is decreased. But it takes the cost away from private hospitals, and the cost away from private insurance.
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