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PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 1:10 pm    Post subject: Welfare for the rich Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

New trial ordered in Shore dune v. view dispute


The New Jersey Supreme Court unanimously ordered a Long Beach Island couple must return to court to determine whether they are entitled to damages for loss of their ocean view when Harvey Cedars took part of their shore property to create protective dunes.


Harvey and Phyllis Karan successfully sued and won $375,000 in damages, raising the issue whether homeowners should be compensated for losing ocean views when dunes are built to protect the shore homes.

First, why should the city spend precious taxpayer dollars to protect a few beach front homes .and then ordered to pay out a sizable sum because they lost their view.
Of course this is ok with the followers of Ayn Rand.and the right wing nuts club.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 1:40 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

welfare for the uber wealthy YES, for the truly needy SOCIALISM...SOCIALISM...SOCIALISM! Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 1:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Welfare for the rich Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

villainesta wrote:
New trial ordered in Shore dune v. view dispute


The New Jersey Supreme Court unanimously ordered a Long Beach Island couple must return to court to determine whether they are entitled to damages for loss of their ocean view when Harvey Cedars took part of their shore property to create protective dunes.


Harvey and Phyllis Karan successfully sued and won $375,000 in damages, raising the issue whether homeowners should be compensated for losing ocean views when dunes are built to protect the shore homes.

First, why should the city spend precious taxpayer dollars to protect a few beach front homes .and then ordered to pay out a sizable sum because they lost their view.
Of course this is ok with the followers of Ayn Rand.and the right wing nuts club.





Why do we pay for low income public housing for criminals who destroy schools?

How about we eliminate both?

This is where the ghettocrats get all silent or flip on the issue.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 1:49 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Why do we pay for low income public housing for criminals who destroy schools?

How about we eliminate both?

This is where the ghettocrats get all silent or flip on the issue.



Off topic! Or can't you read.
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villainesta wrote:
Why do we pay for low income public housing for criminals who destroy schools?

How about we eliminate both?

This is where the ghettocrats get all silent or flip on the issue.



Off topic! Or can't you read.



No. It is an extension of the same topic. You are complaining about welfare but you want to keep your welfare.

Why do your people destroy schools and neighborhoods? Where is the pride? Othere countries laugh at you.
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But you never whine about welfare for the rich.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 2:16 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

villainesta wrote:
But you never whine about welfare for the rich.


Not true. The Tea Party DID complain about the welfare for the rich and you complained about it you du.mmy.


You on the other hand complain about half the welfare but then support YOUR welfare. Notice the difference. I am agaisnt ALL weflare and you are against welfare for everyone except YOURSELF.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 2:53 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I complain about the tea party politicians like Michelle Bachman who want to cut everything. However she got her $30000 in farm subsidy money. So max all tea party members didnt complain about welfare for the rich.
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bodysnatcher wrote:
I complain about the tea party politicians like Michelle Bachman who want to cut everything. However she got her $30000 in farm subsidy money. So max all tea party members didnt complain about welfare for the rich.



Do you support eliminating welfare?
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Only for people that dont need it. Every circumstance is different. But it does not matter what you or I think because politicians will do what is best for them. You see things as black or white. I do not. Do people steal and take advantage of the system. Of couse they do, rich and poor alike. However, the justice is not the same. I know im wasting my time max. But we did agree that the bailout was bad. And that goes back to my point the justice is not fair. The rich guys got bailed out, No middle class people got bailed out.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 6:10 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

really, you mean the rich are actually doing quite well??? according to the right wingnutz and congress the rich are really struggling and need some more money. i'm shocked to learn of the wealthy doing very well indeed! Laughing
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I think the founding fathers wanted it that way, or was it god. You have to ask maxi-pad or sixpack they have the answers.
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First, why should the city spend precious taxpayer dollars to protect a few beach front homes .and then ordered to pay out a sizable sum because they lost their view.
Of course this is ok with the followers of Ayn Rand.and the right wing nuts club.


First of all, the money spent on dune construction/reconstruction isn't to protect "a few beach front homes." The dunes help to protect the whole barrier island from storm surge destruction.

The reason the ultra rich who build these beach mansions are able to successfully sue over something as ludicrous as a beach view and win indicates the depth of corruption within our legal system. Money talks.

These "people" come from OUT OF TOWN and build on the beach for a few weeks of enjoyment out of the year. These are second, third and fourth homes, not primary residences. If a storm is coming, the hired help button down the hatches while the owners jet off to a safer haven.

Suing over an ocean view in opposition to the public safety of the general population and actually winning is absurd. The lawyers, judges and plaintiffs involved should all be beaten with an i.d.i.o.t stick, then tarred and feathered before being run out of town.

Some of you who don't seem to have too much on the ball ( Wink Wink ) have chosen to make this a political issue by casting blame on one party or another. If you are going to cast blame, don't omit those who continually strive to make sure no one gets their feelings hurt over atrocities like taking a beach view away. The people who pander to every sensitivity, real or imagined, professed by every individual, group or organization share as much blame as anyone. These ninny hammers have corrupted and destroyed the greatness of this country of ours.

Suck it up, get a life and stop whining over every little thing you don't like because it hurts your feelings.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 9:27 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Scorpion wrote:
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First, why should the city spend precious taxpayer dollars to protect a few beach front homes .and then ordered to pay out a sizable sum because they lost their view.
Of course this is ok with the followers of Ayn Rand.and the right wing nuts club.


First of all, the money spent on dune construction/reconstruction isn't to protect "a few beach front homes." The dunes help to protect the whole barrier island from storm surge destruction.

The reason the ultra rich who build these beach mansions are able to successfully sue over something as ludicrous as a beach view and win indicates the depth of corruption within our legal system. Money talks.

These "people" come from OUT OF TOWN and build on the beach for a few weeks of enjoyment out of the year. These are second, third and fourth homes, not primary residences. If a storm is coming, the hired help button down the hatches while the owners jet off to a safer haven.

Suing over an ocean view in opposition to the public safety of the general population and actually winning is absurd. The lawyers, judges and plaintiffs involved should all be beaten with an i.d.i.o.t stick, then tarred and feathered before being run out of town.

Some of you who don't seem to have too much on the ball ( Wink Wink ) have chosen to make this a political issue by casting blame on one party or another. If you are going to cast blame, don't omit those who continually strive to make sure no one gets their feelings hurt over atrocities like taking a beach view away. The people who pander to every sensitivity, real or imagined, professed by every individual, group or organization share as much blame as anyone. These ninny hammers have corrupted and destroyed the greatness of this country of ours.

Suck it up, get a life and stop whining over every little thing you don't like because it hurts your feelings.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 10:02 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

poor schizophrenic scorp, all during the election cycle he threw the middle class under the bus to aid the long suffering wealthy. now the wealthy act like they always do and what does scorp tell us? that they are whiners and should suck it up! hopefully you will get the medical help you need scorp and next time the republicans starting whining for tax cuts for the rich you will tell them to "stop whining and suck it up" and pay their fair share. recovery begins one step at a time scorp...good luck! Razz
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spazcat wrote:
really, you mean the rich are actually doing quite well??? according to the right wingnutz and congress the rich are really struggling and need some more money. i'm shocked to learn of the wealthy doing very well indeed! Laughing



Obama can't give the rich enough money. He is bought and paid for by corporate America. lol @ Dems who thought Obama cared about them.
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You're right max. Rolling Eyes
Republicans want nothing to do with corporate welfare:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/farm-bill-passes-narrowly-in-house-without-food-stamp-funding/2013/07/11/53616a4c-ea52-11e2-a301-ea5a8116d211_story.html

And naturally the "farmers" in this bill aren't the local dairy farms but the mega farms that shouldn't need help from anyone.
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JerseyDevil wrote:
You're right max. Rolling Eyes
Republicans want nothing to do with corporate welfare:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/farm-bill-passes-narrowly-in-house-without-food-stamp-funding/2013/07/11/53616a4c-ea52-11e2-a301-ea5a8116d211_story.html

And naturally the "farmers" in this bill aren't the local dairy farms but the mega farms that shouldn't need help from anyone.



You want it both ways. ARE you now in favor of a free market? IF you want to end the welfare the let the farmers charge whatever they want. THey can also sell their land to builders and oil companies. When you are paying through the nose for a loaf of bread it will be no skin off of my nose. My oil and gas stocks will be going through the roof.


What is your position on union corporate welfare? ARe you against it or will you do your usual flop? I am sure you are agains the pension bailouts, Revel bailout and projects like stadiums. Maybe you will need to call your union rep to findout how you should answer.
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maximus99 wrote:
JerseyDevil wrote:
You're right max. Rolling Eyes
Republicans want nothing to do with corporate welfare:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/farm-bill-passes-narrowly-in-house-without-food-stamp-funding/2013/07/11/53616a4c-ea52-11e2-a301-ea5a8116d211_story.html

And naturally the "farmers" in this bill aren't the local dairy farms but the mega farms that shouldn't need help from anyone.



You want it both ways. ARE you now in favor of a free market? IF you want to end the welfare the let the farmers charge whatever they want. THey can also sell their land to builders and oil companies. When you are paying through the nose for a loaf of bread it will be no skin off of my nose. My oil and gas stocks will be going through the roof.


What is your position on union corporate welfare? ARe you against it or will you do your usual flop? I am sure you are agains the pension bailouts, Revel bailout and projects like stadiums. Maybe you will need to call your union rep to findout how you should answer.


Free market? No. It needs to be regulated, not subsidized, lest the barbarians at the gate will pillage the town. They charge what the market will bare. This type of corporate welfare doesn't keep prices down, it keeps them up. But look who I'm telling, the economics expert. Rolling Eyes

Usual flop? I've never flopped. I won't always give an answer because of the way you pose questions, usually they require an all or nothing mentality, which in the real world, doesn't work. My problem with bail outs is that most often, they benefit the very people who caused the financial crisis necessitating the bail out. Workers don't squander their pensions, the bosses do and then try to re-neg on the payments while they prepare their golden parachutes for a safe landing.
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sadly max is a troll and not a very bright one at that. which is why he and others who just say the same thing over and over or do nothing but regurgitate right wingnut propaganda are on ignore. Cool
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spazcat wrote:
poor schizophrenic scorp, all during the election cycle he threw the middle class under the bus to aid the long suffering wealthy. now the wealthy act like they always do and what does scorp tell us? that they are whiners and should suck it up! hopefully you will get the medical help you need scorp and next time the republicans starting whining for tax cuts for the rich you will tell them to "stop whining and suck it up" and pay their fair share. recovery begins one step at a time scorp...good luck! Razz


Good old spazrat, always trying to prove people fit into one particular mold or another, one size fits all, and we should all like the same things presented in the same way by the same people.

spaz chooses to believe the world is black and white with no shades of grey.



Keep trying to pound that square peg into the round hole. Maybe someday you'll get it....although I doubt it. Rolling Eyes

I expect to see you commin' for some pulled pork and Bar-B-Que to take back to the campground this weekend. All that chinese bred pork is gonna make for some good eatins. MMMMMMMMMMMMM, bet cha can't wait! You do like Chinese pork, don't cha? Laughing Laughing
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 8:41 am    Post subject: Re: Welfare for the rich Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

villainesta wrote:
New trial ordered in Shore dune v. view dispute


The New Jersey Supreme Court unanimously ordered a Long Beach Island couple must return to court to determine whether they are entitled to damages for loss of their ocean view when Harvey Cedars took part of their shore property to create protective dunes.


Harvey and Phyllis Karan successfully sued and won $375,000 in damages, raising the issue whether homeowners should be compensated for losing ocean views when dunes are built to protect the shore homes.

First, why should the city spend precious taxpayer dollars to protect a few beach front homes .and then ordered to pay out a sizable sum because they lost their view.
Of course this is ok with the followers of Ayn Rand.and the right wing nuts club.


For the most part, I agree with Scorp. My question is, were they compensated because they lost their 'view' or because the municipality actually took part of their property? Taking of property is protected by eminent domain. That's a whole different issue and is compensable. However, I agree that the dunes were built to protect the many properties not one and dunes aren't built so high that you cant see the ocean. Those dunes in Cape May have saved those beachfront properties several times. When the next nor'easter or hurricane comes ashore they'll be grateful for those dunes.
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JerseyDevil wrote:
maximus99 wrote:
JerseyDevil wrote:
You're right max. Rolling Eyes
Republicans want nothing to do with corporate welfare:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/farm-bill-passes-narrowly-in-house-without-food-stamp-funding/2013/07/11/53616a4c-ea52-11e2-a301-ea5a8116d211_story.html

And naturally the "farmers" in this bill aren't the local dairy farms but the mega farms that shouldn't need help from anyone.



You want it both ways. ARE you now in favor of a free market? IF you want to end the welfare the let the farmers charge whatever they want. THey can also sell their land to builders and oil companies. When you are paying through the nose for a loaf of bread it will be no skin off of my nose. My oil and gas stocks will be going through the roof.


What is your position on union corporate welfare? ARe you against it or will you do your usual flop? I am sure you are agains the pension bailouts, Revel bailout and projects like stadiums. Maybe you will need to call your union rep to findout how you should answer.


Free market? No. It needs to be regulated, not subsidized, lest the barbarians at the gate will pillage the town. They charge what the market will bare. This type of corporate welfare doesn't keep prices down, it keeps them up. But look who I'm telling, the economics expert. Rolling Eyes

Usual flop? I've never flopped. I won't always give an answer because of the way you pose questions, usually they require an all or nothing mentality, which in the real world, doesn't work. My problem with bail outs is that most often, they benefit the very people who caused the financial crisis necessitating the bail out. Workers don't squander their pensions, the bosses do and then try to re-neg on the payments while they prepare their golden parachutes for a safe landing.



Regulated? Are you in favor of capping a price at below market which then forces the farmers to take a loss without a subsidy? Only a Dumocrat would support that plan. Thanks to YOUR regulations there would not be any farmers without the subsidies. Do you still want to get rid of the subsidies?

Where do you stand on union bailouts, Revel, and stadiums for the billionaire sports team owners which are all supported by the Dumbs.

I like how you say you have never flopped when you complain about bailouts but then support certain bailouts.
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spazcat wrote:
sadly max is a troll and not a very bright one at that. which is why he and others who just say the same thing over and over or do nothing but regurgitate right wingnut propaganda are on ignore. Cool



A troll with a job, money and healthcare while you are standing in line looking for government handouts.
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maximus99 wrote:
Regulated? Are you in favor of capping a price at below market which then forces the farmers to take a loss without a subsidy? Only a Dumocrat would support that plan. Thanks to YOUR regulations there would not be any farmers without the subsidies. Do you still want to get rid of the subsidies?

Where do you stand on union bailouts, Revel, and stadiums for the billionaire sports team owners which are all supported by the Dumbs.

I like how you say you have never flopped when you complain about bailouts but then support certain bailouts.

Who said anything about a cap? Only someone who's not serious about a debate would suggest something like that. See what I mean about you loading your questions? You're ridiculous. Regulations aren't all about controlling prices but rather about keeping unscrupulous "capitalists" from price fixing or cornering a market, making things unaffordable to most and gouging the rest.

Where are these union bailouts you keep bringing up? I've never heard of them. There certainly haven't been any bailouts for the NJ public pensions that were pillaged by the past few governors, dem and rep included.

Revel? No bailout. They spent well beyond their means for a PRIVATE building. Not a fan of stadiums being built with taxpayer money either. I'd expect cities like Philadelphia to be doing much better financially if building new stadiums was in the best interest of its residents but cities like Philadelphia recoup a lot of that money in payroll taxes alone. So, when professional sports are played and concerts held, you have hundreds of highly paid people at each event, paying back that debt, not to mention all of the lower wage earners getting paid enough to keep their homes and remain living in the city.

But I don't hear you complaining about billionaires demanding free stadiums so they can conduct their "business" and make billionaires more, subsidized by the taxpayers. By your way of thinking, it's their right.
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