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[AfroMan]

Use of city vehicle for personal use? In other municipalities that's an offense worthy of being fired. Not to mention taxable. Wonder who else drives a vehicle provided by the city that pays taxes on the benefit. Better ask the IRS if this is a problem.

[Beach-luva]

Boy Afroman, you must have struck a nerve. Is it crickets I hear

[Tra]

I'm getting the feeling that Prince Ryan just doesn't get it. Cannot see this from the point of view of the taxpayer at all. That the city's revenues are not some kind of personal piggy bank. I read on here at one point where apparently city hall purchased a BBQ Grill for $2,000 and it was found at Mr. Triano Sr/s house.............and they see nothing wrong with that. Al the sculduggary is an entitlement for "all their good works".

I can't make the meeting on the 12th, can someone video it and put it on Youtube for all to see?

[AfroMan]

The sucking sound we hear is their politically provided livelihood evaporating.

[mtzorfas]

I will state up front that I've known Ryan Troiano for 30 years. I will also tell you that he and I don't agree on much politically and we never will. And I'm not here to defend him in that capacity or really any capacity. I would, however, like to comment on the personal attacks being delivered anonymously on this site. I think the following are important observations:

(1) It was pointed out by an anonymous poster that Ryan is not an elected official. This is a fact. A tax payer has a right to comment on the personal affairs of an elected official. Since he is not an elected official, then cross examining him on his personal affairs is improper. Why should any fireman have to answer damning personal questions that are not anyone's business;

(2) Personally attacking someone anonymously is the definition of cowardess. If we are going to comment on who is a real MAN, at least he has the sack to get on here and make it known that his comments are his own. A real MAN would own the personal attacks they put into cyberspace for all to see. I'm sure if someone felt like shining a light on every mistake they thought you ever made over the last 20 years, it would be pretty ugly.

(3) Someone insinuated he is not the BOY behind the posts, presumably because they are intelligently written. I promise you he wrote them. You may not like him, but he's an intelligent guy with a firm grasp on the English language. I know that as a FACT based on a lifetime of knowing him;

(4) Someone quoted Ghandi. Ghandi never spoke anonymously. He stood behind his words at the risk of real persecution. He also advocated civil disobedience. The core of civil disobedience theory is that change can be accomplished through non-violent measures. The theory of the watchdog group seems to be anonymous personal attacks made against a non-elected government employee. Ghandi would have told you to make every attempt to understand the person you disagree with and attempt to change them through intellectual measures. This brings me to my next point:

(5) When governments and people find themselves at an impasse of social change, the ONLY solution is to put aside personal differences and work within the confines of the situation in order to improve it over time. Again, you may hate him personally, but he set up a town hall meeting to meet with you face to face, man to man, to voice concerns. He's doing this despite the fact that he has been subjected to an anonymous assault regarding personal matters. Even if you hate him, you have to understand as a matter of humanity that it can't be easy to extend that olive branch. For all he knows, there's an anonymous nut job out there looking to shoot him. I know as a FACT that he's never been afraid to talk about a disagreement.

(6) The guy loves Wildwood and he has a good heart. If you don't like what he's doing professionally, then keep your comments to his professional matters and go to the meeting and make change yourself.

(7) Ghandi would have asked everyone involved this simple question: Has anything you have ever done by personally attacking him made anything better in Wildwood. The answer is a resounding NO!!

[Tra]

@MTZ..............It's Ryan that came out swinging when the Watchdog group was successful in thworting his fathers efforts of paying back his campaign manager Chris Fox, and securing a second pay check for his son. He has made himself a target.

His brother is at least smart enough to keep a low profile.

And, just an observation, but I don't see your name here??

[AfroMan]

Or Ghandi could ask has the Troiano clan done anything for the good of the people of Wildwood? The answer would be no to the average taxpayer. Family, friends, the Police Union, Fire Union and Ernies buddies in Vineland of course will defend the golden hand that feeds them.

Taxes have gone up, city provided service have not. Just ask yourself is the town safer with the top heavy Police Department? How many actual fires have there been in the last 12 months necessitating $100,000 dollar a year Fire Captains? Are the streets cleaner? Is your trash picked up any better? Oh forgot they privatized that...Did your taxes drop when the trashmen were let go?

But if you ask the question just how many Troiano's family and friends does it take to run a beach resort community into the ground. The answer of course is All of Them....

[grandjury]

[mtzorfas]

My name is Mike Tzorfas.

[grandjury]

[mtzorfas]

Tra said he didn't see my name. So I told him my name. If people have legitimate gripes about government employees, then I support the system working them out. I don't have any knowledge one way or the other about any of this. I really only wanted to address things posted about him that are purely personal. It's easy to be angry and say harsh things about someone on the internet. But even legitimate anger does not manifest change. Personal attacks will only serve to injure people's family (including children) while also stifling any chance for change.

[grandjury]

[Tra]

Welcome Mr. Tzorfas
If he got a student pregnant while in a position of authority..........it's either a fact or not.........and it speaks to the content of his character. It is wrong under any and all circumstances to compromise the development of a young girl

If he was driving a city vehicle, is the business of every taxpayer, if he did this he put us all at risk of any potential law suites should anything have happened.

If Ryan is trying to represent himself as a beach utilities manager, and he wants to be compensated on top of the job he has already, to do something he has no qualifications for, and has proven that over the past 1 or 2 years only to come up with ideas that we the taxpayers find objectionable........we have a right and duty to express our discontent.

Your friend Ryan has a sense of entitlement. We the taxpayers do not want to support that. He will not answer a direct question, only attacks those that present them, with arbitrary, “that’s not true’s”, and never substantiates any of his accusations. Now he holding a town hall meeting to push an agenda he won’t share, but intimates that “The Business Community” is supporting? If it has anything to do with a parking garage, 75 Year leases of the beach, a second job for him and fox, the overpriced purchase of 3400 Pacific ave, with county funds, he will meet great resistance. These are just not fiscally responsible, or logical. I have had the opportunity, thanks to the watchdogs circulating their petitions, to see the feasibility studies that recommend against the parking garage and the Ice Rink

Please help your friend to see all that is happening from the point of view of someone who is not on the city payroll. Our taxes are almost double that of our neighboring island communities. Our property values are in the toilet, due to crime and we are paying enough to have the safest streets anywhere. We are not getting what we pay for as taxpayers and we are being asked to accept the same Illogical, self-serving shenanigans that got us into this mess.

When the corruption, nepotism and back room deals are finished in city hall, I’m looking to invest in Wildwood. I’ll keep my identity private until then. That’s why we vote in booths..

[wildwoodhaze]

[john]

I'm puzzled . If this "prince" is merely a private citizen , or just a fireman , how can he call for a meeting at the Rec center as if he were in charge of it ? Who died and left him boss ? Doesn't he have to rent the premises , provide insurance and safety for the attendees ? The reason for anonymity on this site is that those who live in WW fear retaliation - with good reason , it seems . I wish we had spouters like Tra, Afroman , OCpitchforks and Wildwoodhaze in Middle Twp . keeping our incompetent politician's feet to the fire .

[sea4me]

Be very careful people Mike Tzorfas may be a lawyer. Could he be baiting us to say something libelous?

[mtzorfas]

I am a lawyer. I don't represent Ryan. I don't practice law that way. And if I did, I'd probably use an alias. I am not looking to provoke anyone or debate anything.

[Beach-luva]

Answer the question mzfortas, was Ryan driving city vehicles without a drivers license??

[mtzorfas]

I really, truly have no idea if that happened or not. My point has nothing to do with the merits of anyone's claims about issues related to their taxes. The line was crossed elsewhere.

[wildwoodhaze]

[Beach-luva]

Where was the line crossed, name an issue that Ryan was called out on that was not completely relative to the public, and tax payers other than popa jons?

Furthermore, what would your stance be if it is true that Ryan drove city vehicles while on a suspended drivers license, and was subsequently fired for that behavior? Do you not feel obligated to find that out?

Ryan says he was illegally terminated? How? The fact of the matter is that you are wrong!!!!!These are very public issues, ALL OF THEM!!! What you need to understand is that the tax payers of this town will no longer be intimidated.

So basically, you come on here, defend your buddy with no facts, no knowledge, and no answers.

What about the false paycheck debacle? Please address that? Is that a public issue?

You talk about children, I suppose no one was concerned about Kathy Mccullough kids when Ryan was on here saying the terrible things about her. Where were you defending children then. I guess it was ok back then????

Finally, if you think indentifying yourself on an anonymous blog is some reflection of manhood, you are wrong!!! The only identity I need is proof of a paid tax bill!!!! Making smart decisions, and not causing liabilty to others, and not abusing a position of authority are things which make you a man!

The one thing you have NOT done, is get on here and say that anything which he has been called out on was NOT true. Please list the allegations and tell us which are true, and which are not...Its easy, when you take government money, you leave yourself open to public scrutiny, elected official or not! You seem like a good person, and I believe you intentions are good ones; but outside of leaving your name, you have really said nothing. I would think that if you have known him for 30years, you would know the answer to some of this stuff. Your contention that these things are private is not true!!!These things include public money, public assets, and poor behavior while in a postiion of authority! You are wrong that they are private. So I guess Senator Menendez should not have to answer any questions regarding his behavior with prositutes because it is private? How about Sandusky, he used his position of authority, and public facilities to perpetrate a crime, was it private? Please explain?

[mtzorfas]

Throughout history, people with much larger conflicts than those going on in Wildwood have resolved their differences, but it didn't happen anonymously on the internet. This is a nice little insight into the future of our world, and it should scare everybody. I took the wrong approach by being too righteous and judgmental of people I have no way of knowing. That didn't help and it inflamed this situation, and what I should have done was taken a tone that might help diffuse the situation. That was a mistake made out of anger seeing people say things I feel aren't fit for public consumption regarding a non-elected official. I am sure you all want a better a Wildwood but the approach that's being taken is wrong and a lot of innocent people always get hit by the crossfire. I also know that Ryan has a ton of pride in Wildwood and wants it to flourish. I sat in their home long before anyone in it held a governmental position and listened to them talk about Wildwood. I have seen them help out kids who had nowhere else to turn way before anyone was thinking of running for mayor. I don't see the end result of what goes on here being a positive one. I can promise you this, the road to progress won't be paved with revenge.

[The Prince]

First off I like to start off by saying I was quite surprised to see a post from Mike but I can assure you that he knows me better than most! Mike all this forum can do is cause you frustration. You are dealing with simple minded people that are blinded by rage and hate. These claims are so frivolous and not even close to the truth that I do not need to address them. They have no proof of these claims that they make. As far as the drivers license I don't need to explain, all I need to say is that A JUDGE ruled that I was illegally terminated and I was sent back to work by THE JUDGE. I should have sued Gary, The City, and Sam Lashman but I didn't. Unlike Gary that has sued the City NUMEROUS times and once again after he lost the election, he opened his lawsuit back up against the city. Mike this is a very small group of people on here stating they represent the taxpayers. In reality they only need 117 signatures to challenge an ordinance. If this actually went to a vote they would need 5-6 times that amount of votes to win. Like I stated to all of you, please show up to the meeting and you will have real hard proof of what is going on but I understand that there is nowhere to hide if you are sitting in the room. Go out and be productive, like Mike stated nothing good is accomplished sitting behind a computer anonymously typing lies!

[AfroMan]

If it wasn't for anonymity, how else could city staff post comments on here while at their city jobs? Pretty liberal computer use in the City.

[Tra]

Mr. Tzorfax, We the taxpayer feel like we are in the crossfire of the city's agenda of nepotism, paybacks and back room deals. Why are so many decisions made in secret out of the public view? Why have the video cameras been removed from the commissioners meetings? Why have the time clocks been removed/destroyed by the commissioners? Why did we agree to purchase 3400 Pacific Ave, before an ordinance or funding? Why is city hall ignoring feasibility studies that do not agree with their agenda..........there is a lot to be answered for. Young Price Ryan has put himself in the line of fire. The best predictor of future behavior is relevant past behavior. I believe the young Mr. Troiano enjoys the notoriety of being the “Prince” of Wildwood, he just does not want to be held accountable for any of his past in-discretions, and like a petulant child he is lashing out at anyone who call him out on them and preventing him from taking even more advantage of the overtaxed residents of Wildwood.