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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 6:32 am    Post subject: Parking garage is back on the agenda. Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Wildwood downtown business group wants to take over, improve parking on city-owned lot

http://www.pressofatlanticcity.com/news/breaking/wildwood-downtown-business-group-wants-to-take-over-improve-parking/article_7a0089bc-7c84-11e2-b97d-001a4bcf887a.html

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‘Vision 2015, a plan developed by the island’s government and business leaders, detailed creation of a parking garage or “destination station” as key to enhancing the tourism experience for visitors to Wildwood’s downtown and Boardwalk.’

Also a slippery slope, pathway to high rises.

You remember them, the ones defeated until the city supplied a parking garage. Also remember that pylon test, the pylons sunk.

Remember the feasibility study that was unfavorable to a three month town and a parking garage.

This will be an albatross to the taxpayer no matter what the elite say.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 10:14 am    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I agree wholeheartedly with Mr. Ferrara who said, "A multi-level parking garage is just not going to pay for itself," said Ferrara referring to the slow season that occurs in the winter. "It'd be full for three months of the year and empty for the rest."

Parking Garage for Wildwood Makes No Sense - 8-23-2006
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By Rick Racela
By LAUREN HUGGINS
WILDWOOD - "I've been up and down this street about 15 times," said Glenn Orson of North Arlington after he had tired of searching for a place to park near the Red Sky Café here. "I'm giving up."
Would a 500-space parking garage on the Cedar Avenue municipal parking lot solve Orson's and countless motorists parking woe's here during the summer season?
It might, but the city couldn't shoulder the annual debt service that would run between $809,000 and $906,000.
Lou Ferrara, city development director, said the project "just doesn't make economic sense."
According to Desman Associates, hired to assess existing parking conditions and the feasibility of a new structure, a parking garage with some 500 spaces would cost approximately $254,000 in first-year operating costs.
The firm suggested partnering the garage with other sources of revenue, such as a retail or food business, but according to some nearby business owners, interviewed by the firm, they agreed that they would be receptive to the garage idea only if it was clean, safe, and didn't cause competition with their properties.
Steve Nickels of Midway Pier said that the garage idea had been around for seven or eight years. He maintained that in order for the project to be successful, a pedestrian bridge that connects to the boardwalk would be "a must."
"A multi-level parking garage is just not going to pay for itself," said Ferrara referring to the slow season that occurs in the winter. "It'd be full for three months of the year and empty for the rest."
The parking study echoes Ferrara's sentiments and states "generally, a jurisdiction does not build to a demand that is created only during a portion of the year and a portion of the week."
Because surface lots in the area have decreased due to better use of the land, a central parking structure is necessary, according to the study, and Ferrara says the city is working toward alternatives besides motorists deciding to tempt fate, or the police department, by blocking driveways and fire lanes.
"We're looking into a regionalized parking system and transportation system," he told the Herald on Aug. 21.
Shuttles or loop transit systems would be used to connect destination over the entire island with parking.
"Maybe we could use the trams in a unique way," he added.
That solution, according to Desman Associates, would fulfill the long-term parking need.
Ferrara added that the city would also be investigating how it can better utilize on-street parking and relationships with parking lots such as the convention center.
"We're just in the preliminary phases right now," he said. "We're just got the study and we're going through it, piece by piece."
Seasoned visitors know that if they want to forgo the long trek through town, they'll have to arrive early and be ready to pay at a private parking lot.
"We've been doing this for years," said Linda Peterson gesturing to her four teen-age children. "On Friday or Saturday nights, you have to get here early and head right for a lot. You've got to be quick because there aren't many lots left."
Contact Huggins at: (609) 886-8600 ext. 25 or lhuggins@cmcherald.com
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 11:04 am    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

in OCMD they have a $1 a day bus ticket. you buy it and can ride the bus that goes up and down the main drag all day. don't know if its still a $1 but the young and the people employed in the service industry used it all the time. no need to build a 5 story parking garage. Cool
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 1:01 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

spazcat wrote:
in OCMD they have a $1 a day bus ticket. you buy it and can ride the bus that goes up and down the main drag all day. don't know if its still a $1 but the young and the people employed in the service industry used it all the time. no need to build a 5 story parking garage. Cool



They also have high rises and higher density in OC MD. Dems are not too smart. They don't want high rises but then want a bus that will be half empty without the higher density.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 1:02 pm    Post subject: Re: Parking garage is back on the agenda. Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

sea4me wrote:
Wildwood downtown business group wants to take over, improve parking on city-owned lot

http://www.pressofatlanticcity.com/news/breaking/wildwood-downtown-business-group-wants-to-take-over-improve-parking/article_7a0089bc-7c84-11e2-b97d-001a4bcf887a.html

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‘Vision 2015, a plan developed by the island’s government and business leaders, detailed creation of a parking garage or “destination station” as key to enhancing the tourism experience for visitors to Wildwood’s downtown and Boardwalk.’

Also a slippery slope, pathway to high rises.

You remember them, the ones defeated until the city supplied a parking garage. Also remember that pylon test, the pylons sunk.

Remember the feasibility study that was unfavorable to a three month town and a parking garage.

This will be an albatross to the taxpayer no matter what the elite say.



Do you have a problem with all the existing hotels? Would you prefer they tear them down and build more Wawas?
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 1:09 pm    Post subject: Re: Parking garage is back on the agenda. Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

maximus99 wrote:
sea4me wrote:
Wildwood downtown business group wants to take over, improve parking on city-owned lot

http://www.pressofatlanticcity.com/news/breaking/wildwood-downtown-business-group-wants-to-take-over-improve-parking/article_7a0089bc-7c84-11e2-b97d-001a4bcf887a.html

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‘Vision 2015, a plan developed by the island’s government and business leaders, detailed creation of a parking garage or “destination station” as key to enhancing the tourism experience for visitors to Wildwood’s downtown and Boardwalk.’

Also a slippery slope, pathway to high rises.

You remember them, the ones defeated until the city supplied a parking garage. Also remember that pylon test, the pylons sunk.

Remember the feasibility study that was unfavorable to a three month town and a parking garage.

This will be an albatross to the taxpayer no matter what the elite say.



Do you have a problem with all the existing hotels? Would you prefer they tear them down and build more Wawas?


Where does he say that he has a problem with existing hotels?
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 1:19 pm    Post subject: Re: Parking garage is back on the agenda. Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

sharks-eat-commies wrote:
maximus99 wrote:
sea4me wrote:
Wildwood downtown business group wants to take over, improve parking on city-owned lot

http://www.pressofatlanticcity.com/news/breaking/wildwood-downtown-business-group-wants-to-take-over-improve-parking/article_7a0089bc-7c84-11e2-b97d-001a4bcf887a.html

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‘Vision 2015, a plan developed by the island’s government and business leaders, detailed creation of a parking garage or “destination station” as key to enhancing the tourism experience for visitors to Wildwood’s downtown and Boardwalk.’

Also a slippery slope, pathway to high rises.

You remember them, the ones defeated until the city supplied a parking garage. Also remember that pylon test, the pylons sunk.

Remember the feasibility study that was unfavorable to a three month town and a parking garage.

This will be an albatross to the taxpayer no matter what the elite say.



Do you have a problem with all the existing hotels? Would you prefer they tear them down and build more Wawas?


Where does he say that he has a problem with existing hotels?



He implies it here.

sea4me wrote:


Also a slippery slope, pathway to high rises.

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ARe old Wildwood Hotels usually one story? Aren't there groups actually complaining about the demise of the old hotels? Would he prefer a mid rise historic hotel or a new Wawa?
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 1:22 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

No, that seems to imply that he wants to protect existing hotels.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 1:26 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

sharks-eat-commies wrote:
No, that seems to imply that he wants to protect existing hotels.


No. HE did not say anything about old vs new. He was worried about HIGHRISES. HEIGHT not age. There are ALREADY highrises. IF he has a problem with new highrises then what about the OLD highrises. That is pretty stupid.


Can you explain why new highrises would be a problem but not old highrises?
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 2:10 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

maximus99 wrote:
sharks-eat-commies wrote:
No, that seems to imply that he wants to protect existing hotels.


No. HE did not say anything about old vs new. He was worried about HIGHRISES. HEIGHT not age. There are ALREADY highrises. IF he has a problem with new highrises then what about the OLD highrises. That is pretty stupid.


Can you explain why new highrises would be a problem but not old highrises?


You are absolutely incoherent Max. We were talking about "existing" hotels. You said:
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Do you have a problem with all the existing hotels? Would you prefer they tear them down and build more Wawas?


Then, you started babbling about no one talking about "old" hotels. I never said anything about "old." As far as old high rises...there are no old high rises in Wildwood...unless you consider Ocean Towers or the Senior building "high rise." So then...what the h are you talking about? Are you not capable of putting two coherent sentences together.


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http://www.pressofatlanticcity.com/news/breaking/wildwood-downtown-business-group-wants-to-take-over-improve-parking/article_7a0089bc-7c84-11e2-b97d-001a4bcf887a.html

Donio might be president of the association, but Ratrick Rosenello is calling the shots just like he does in North Wildwood from his position as city council president, executive director of SID and BID, and co-owner with his wife of the LLC that bills the SID and BID for consultant services. (What a racket and that's not the half of it.)

John Donio, owner of the Daytona Inn and president of the BID, said Thursday that the group of business owners wanted to get the parking lot under the BID’s management, with the ultimate goal of building a parking garage using county, state or federal funds.

“That’s our basic mission, not to use local taxpayer dollars,” Donio said.


Some one needs to tell Ratrick locals pay county, state and federal taxes. So in essence, he is using our money to promote even more personal gain through his political positions. You know, like he did when he got the North Wildwood taxpayers to fork over just under a million dollars for a sliver of beach property and then had his good old buddies in the county reimburse the city of North Wildwood. Yep, that didn't cost the locals anything either. Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes

Looks like the Morey Organization will get their rainbow bridge from the high rise parking garage to their boardwalk properties and won't have to fork over a dime aside from what they already contribute to SID/BID as a business member. Shocked

No one saw that coming! Laughing
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 6:39 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Scorp, I'm hearing these folks might be forking over some dough to help out ET and crew.



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 6:48 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

WHAT EVER HAPPENED TO WILL'S GRAND "WILDWOODIAN"?
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 7:07 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

@max, I have been able to avoid responding to your post as I just cannot fix stupid. Your post are offensive for the most part.

However I am so very interested in why, if you clearly don’t understand the subject matter then why are you so sure you are the one to comment on this thread?

I just need to know why??? Call it morbid curiosity……

BTW, I am a republican; however I hesitate to associate myself with the likes of you.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 7:20 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Just another waste of money for a dumb project..
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 7:47 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Let’s assume for a second that one of the biggest challenges that keeps Wildwood summer visitation at bay is a lack, or perceived lack of parking. Regardless of what you may think, most visitors would agree that parking in Wildwood during the summer is a mess. There is empirical data to support this as well.

So… you address the parking issue by building a parking garage which hopefully alleviates some of the parking headaches, and as a result, more people visit Wildwood, and when they do their length of stay increases. Since more people are spending more time in town, they of course spend more money on the Boardwalk, they eat several meals in one of the local restaurants, play a few games and purchase a high quality, tasteful t-shirt as a souvenir before heading home after watching the Friday night fireworks.

So the result is more economic activity. Businesses grow and re-invest and new businesses are attracted to invest in the area. This means more local economic activity and impact, more sales tax and rising property values and ratables are paid and all of a sudden….Wildwood has more revenues to balance its budget and property taxes for our taxpayers are stabilized.

Is a parking garage a “be all to end all” solution? Of course not. But if you believe that generating economic activity and impact will move the city forward, more parking is certainly a step in the right direction.

Now this is long term thinking.
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When the high-rise buildings subject is being mentioned here, are these buildings like the ones that are in AC, New Jersey? The buildings that are in Miami Beach, Florida would fit well in this Island. Each building could have one to three levels of parking area, designated for the general public and charge a fee for parking there. All they would need is a separate merchant license for the public parking lots in each building. More funds for the city’s coffer. Those buildings would help with the ratable and the parking issues that this island is facing at this current time. We would have to make sure, that no dipping in the cookie jars form those special elites would accrued. We have the watch group that can monitor those projects. What’s your opinion on this idea folks? Just thought I put this suggestion on the table.Would anyone like to take a bite of this. Who knows ? You may just like it. We may just be able to get our self out of this slumber. Stay Healthy and Wealthy My Friends
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Do you think it's LIMITED PARKING that's the actual problem or is it NOT ENOUGH FREE PARKING that's the problem?
I don't think the people that come here on vacation want to pay at all for parking.

Undertaking construction of a parking garage is costly and a major, major project. God help us all if we have a catastrophe similar to what occurred at the Tropicana. And before you call me the prophet of doom, remember these are the same politicians that were in office when the condo construction/fire code debacle occurred. You can't cut corners, pay officials off and look the other way on a project like this.

Also, having spent time in AC, people fall from them, drive through retainer walls, and have accidents. They have to be kept clean, have proper lighting and a security camera system to protect the people and their property.

SID can't keep the North Wildwood bathrooms clean during the summer. Now they are taking on Wildwood's bathrooms and you actually think they can keep up with a parking garage on top of that?

Personally, this smells like a false money making proposition for the executive director of SID/BID (Ratrick). He will make sure he gets his take each year before anyone else.

I just don't know if these people who came up with the brain storm actually realize the expense involved in a major project like this. It would be years before you break even and even longer before you could hope see a profit. Except, of course for Ratrick.

It's interesting that you didn't defend Will & Jack and try to down play how this project would be financially advantageous to their businesses while not costing them much for the investment.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 10:36 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Scorpion wrote:
Do you think it's LIMITED PARKING that's the actual problem or is it NOT ENOUGH FREE PARKING that's the problem?
I don't think the people that come here on vacation want to pay at all for parking.

Undertaking construction of a parking garage is costly and a major, major project. God help us all if we have a catastrophe similar to what occurred at the Tropicana. And before you call me the prophet of doom, remember these are the same politicians that were in office when the condo construction/fire code debacle occurred. You can't cut corners, pay officials off and look the other way on a project like this.

Also, having spent time in AC, people fall from them, drive through retainer walls, and have accidents. They have to be kept clean, have proper lighting and a security camera system to protect the people and their property.

SID can't keep the North Wildwood bathrooms clean during the summer. Now they are taking on Wildwood's bathrooms and you actually think they can keep up with a parking garage on top of that?

Personally, this smells like a false money making proposition for the executive director of SID/BID (Ratrick). He will make sure he gets his take each year before anyone else.

I just don't know if these people who came up with the brain storm actually realize the expense involved in a major project like this. It would be years before you break even and even longer before you could hope see a profit. Except, of course for Ratrick.

It's interesting that you didn't defend Will & Jack and try to down play how this project would be financially advantageous to their businesses while not costing them much for the investment.


Scorpion, If you were referring to my reply, These building are owned privately and insured. There is no way that any local elite or public employees can have anything to do with the operation of these high rise hotels buildings. No city involvement required in the operation of these high risers. In reference to the accidents,that you mention,you are correct about that. There for we certain will not allow that construction company to work here in this island. The hotel operators will be required to have all safety measures in place. These buildings will be inspected by the state. No city inspectors, only state inspection will be required. This will avoid the situation that occurred with the condo building issues that are now be faced by these poorly advised condo owners.
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Actually, I was replying to Hammer and the parking garage project. I can't fathom the concept of high rise motels anywhere on this island.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 9:06 am    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

The taxpayers of Wildwood do not owe the business of wildwood a parking garage. I am not against it's building and development as long as private enterprise builds, staffs and maintains it.

It is a condition oof the ability of building highrise hotels. I am in no way agains this either, however let them build, staff and maintain the necessary parking garage. I as a taxpayer of wildwood do not need a welcome center / parking garage.

If this were in any way shape or form a profit making endevor, it would already exsit with a lovely Morey sign flashing above it. I'm in no way against The Morey's making money, I'm against the taxpayer footing the bill for something that will be of most benefit to their organization. I'm dubious about his position as Freeholder and how he can represent the good of the taxpayer over the good of the Morey organization.
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Well spoken Tra, I concur completely. But I am afraid the wheels are already in motion. Not mentioned in these posts, was the demolition and sale of the property at NE corner of Schellenger and Pacific Ave. I had read where the BID/SID had paid for the demolition and the sale was never posted in the property transfers. All I could gather was that Morey had made a purchase, but the location was "not specified". So I too am suspicious of the developments happening and being kept from the general public. After all, in Morey's eyes, we are the "little people". That's what you call the common folk when you think you are entitled.
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Let me ask a question. If, and we all know its a big if, but if projects such as the parking garage and hi-rise hotels generate ratables for the City's coffers that stabilizes or even reduces your taxes, would you support it then?
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Of course I would, but here is the fly in the ointment and you correct me if I am wrong Hammer, when Morey was proposing his Wildwoodian, there were provisions of the first three floors to have elevated parking and retail space, which he wanted to be exempt from real estate taxes. The only taxable part of the complex would have been the Hotel itself. Now tell me, why should this be allowed and how would anyone have the audacity to think it was right for the taxpayer? That guy always has something up his sleeve for himself and a newsflash for you, unless you have recieved a promotion lately, you too are one of the "little people" he can set his drink upon.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 10:20 am    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

@ Hammer, I think you missing my point. I do support a parking garage and highrise development..........by private enterprise..........not with MY MONEY. And MY MONEY includes county funds.

With your own money Build Away, and I wish you all the best. The ratables should then be organic with private development. Not smoke and mirrors, for which our commission is famous.

I'm dubiouse of any "ideas" the current administration has about "creating revenues" that somehow NEVER materialize in any other direction other than a new job for one of the "Royal Family" of the island.
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