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Long_Duk_Dong
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| Actually crews were not permitted to work unless they adhered to "union ways". Sounds like that is good for residents without electricity. |
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maximus99
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| Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 3:07 pm Post subject: |
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| john wrote: | | beachnutz wrote: | | spazcat wrote: | so let me get this straight beachnutz, i mean no point talking to LDD he was deprived of oxygen as a child. you think the corporations will treat us gentler once the unions are gone??? if so you really haven't been paying attention to whats happened to the middle class since union membership has waned.  |
NO, my wife was a teacher and I believe in the unions, I think that sometimes they forget who they are there for. Just like big industry bosses, the union bosses make alot of money and the middle person is left out. When the union bosses did not allow volunteeer non union electric companies to come to NJ to help Sandy victims, that was stupid!! If my wife called in sick they would get a nonunion substitute for teaching, why not let people in who want to help. Instead people went for extra days without power. |
Beachnutz , perhaps your wife ( the teacher ) can help you learn to read . That baloney about non-union workers being turned away from helping with the hurricane relief was totally debunked . It was started by some right-wing nutbag right before the election and picked up by Rush and the crew of teabagger imbeciles . It never fails to amaze me how much disinformation is spewed in the tin foil hat brigade . I'm surprised they haven't claimed that unions were responsible for Benghazi - as if there were anything there - to begin with .  |
How about non union workers being turned away from working in Center City Philadelphia?
Heck. EVen union workers are turned away from working at places like the Convention Center. IF you are a UNION painter, union plasterer, union plumber or union anything, the union laborers are such :: removed :: they will try to stop you from simply unloading your own truck. |
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eyenstein
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| Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 3:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Long_Duk_Dong wrote: | | Irrespective of the source.....can the information about the union execs be denied? If so lets here it. |
Just what information are you talking about? That they money? That the head of the union basis your numbers makes 1/10 of salary of the Hostess CEO. |
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john
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| Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 3:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Long_Duk_Dong wrote: | | Actually crews were not permitted to work unless they adhered to "union ways". Sounds like that is good for residents without electricity. |
Freddy , Some ragtag group from Alabama was coming to N.J. to help . They stopped in Virginia ( never getting here ) because some redneck gave them wrong information . According to their latest press release " it appears now that Decatur Utilities wrongly assumed they would have to agree to the union contract before traveling to New Jersey to help with recovery efforts. The IBEW said in times of crisis, help is welcomed from union and non-union utility workers. "
Naturally , by "union ways" you must mean certain safety rules and regulations . I certainly want an electrical repair done in accordance with N.J. "union ways" rather than some bo-hunk Alabama notion for what passes as proper workmanship . |
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eyenstein
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| Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 3:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Long_Duk_Dong wrote: | | Actually crews were not permitted to work unless they adhered to "union ways". Sounds like that is good for residents without electricity. |
More Baloney. |
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Long_Duk_Dong
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| Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 3:22 pm Post subject: |
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| No. That they were making tons while they threw away 18,500 jobs of the rank and file. |
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maximus99
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| Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 3:24 pm Post subject: |
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| eyenstein wrote: | | Long_Duk_Dong wrote: | | Irrespective of the source.....can the information about the union execs be denied? If so lets here it. |
Just what information are you talking about? That they money? That the head of the union basis your numbers makes 1/10 of salary of the Hostess CEO. |
Why don't the unions buy the companies or start their own companies?
If you are right about the execs are getting rich then why not cut them out of the equasion and the members can split the profits?
If you can not replace them, then are you not admitting that they are worth the compensation? |
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eyenstein
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| Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 3:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Long_Duk_Dong wrote: | | No. That they were making tons while they threw away 18,500 jobs of the rank and file. |
There were not going to be any jobs long term. It was just a stall to steal more money. |
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Long_Duk_Dong
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| Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 3:25 pm Post subject: |
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| By the union execs? |
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eyenstein
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| Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 3:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Long_Duk_Dong wrote: | | By the union execs? |
No, by President Obama. |
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Long_Duk_Dong
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| Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 3:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Same thing. |
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eyenstein
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| Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 3:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Not really. |
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JerseyDevil
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| Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 4:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Long_Duk_Dong wrote: | | Unions are greedy? Didnt they just sacrifice 550 million in earnings just to make sure 6 million in raises were not paid? Not the execs of course.....I mean the rank and file. |
No, they refused to make concessions to an ALREADY failing company. One that did a terrible job of promoting itself and keeping itself competitive with modern technology. All the unions managed to do was refuse to make concessions that would do NOTHING to save their jobs and would have only put more money into the hands of wall street investors and already high paid execs.
| maximus99 wrote: | | Why don't the unions buy the companies or start their own companies? |
Probably for the same reason Hostess doesn't grow their own wheat for flour and grow their own sugarcane for sugar and raise their own chickens for eggs. You can't be all things. Maybe if the company had learned to keep competitive it would still be solvent. Maybe if the company engaged in profit sharing the workers would actually 'own' the company and could be held responsible for the poor decisions made on behalf of the company and 18000 people would still have jobs.
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beachnutz
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| Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 4:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Union letter to Florida Electric workers....pay nion dues or do not help us! WRONG!! |
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Long_Duk_Dong
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| Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 4:18 pm Post subject: |
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| So the union demanding that a delivery guy could not deliver bread and twinkies at the same time was the companies choice? Cut it out Jersey.....they had almost 400 collective bargaining agreements(many like the driver not being smart enough to deliver 2 products) with unions. Classic. |
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maximus99
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| Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 4:36 pm Post subject: |
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| JerseyDevil wrote: | | Long_Duk_Dong wrote: | | Unions are greedy? Didnt they just sacrifice 550 million in earnings just to make sure 6 million in raises were not paid? Not the execs of course.....I mean the rank and file. |
No, they refused to make concessions to an ALREADY failing company. One that did a terrible job of promoting itself and keeping itself competitive with modern technology. All the unions managed to do was refuse to make concessions that would do NOTHING to save their jobs and would have only put more money into the hands of wall street investors and already high paid execs.
| maximus99 wrote: | | Why don't the unions buy the companies or start their own companies? |
Probably for the same reason Hostess doesn't grow their own wheat for flour and grow their own sugarcane for sugar and raise their own chickens for eggs. You can't be all things. Maybe if the company had learned to keep competitive it would still be solvent. Maybe if the company engaged in profit sharing the workers would actually 'own' the company and could be held responsible for the poor decisions made on behalf of the company and 18000 people would still have jobs. |
Not true. Many companies do exactly as you described. It is called verticle integration.
THe reality is the management can replace the union workers and the workers don't have the brains to replace management. |
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sharks-eat-commies
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| Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 4:56 pm Post subject: |
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| maximus99 wrote: | | JerseyDevil wrote: | | Long_Duk_Dong wrote: | | Unions are greedy? Didnt they just sacrifice 550 million in earnings just to make sure 6 million in raises were not paid? Not the execs of course.....I mean the rank and file. |
No, they refused to make concessions to an ALREADY failing company. One that did a terrible job of promoting itself and keeping itself competitive with modern technology. All the unions managed to do was refuse to make concessions that would do NOTHING to save their jobs and would have only put more money into the hands of wall street investors and already high paid execs.
| maximus99 wrote: | | Why don't the unions buy the companies or start their own companies? |
Probably for the same reason Hostess doesn't grow their own wheat for flour and grow their own sugarcane for sugar and raise their own chickens for eggs. You can't be all things. Maybe if the company had learned to keep competitive it would still be solvent. Maybe if the company engaged in profit sharing the workers would actually 'own' the company and could be held responsible for the poor decisions made on behalf of the company and 18000 people would still have jobs. |
Not true. Many companies do exactly as you described. It is called verticle integration.
THe reality is the management can replace the union workers and the workers don't have the brains to replace management. |
Max, if someone waits long enough you will prove one of your previous claims wrong by contradicting yourself. You have done this many times. On this thread you say that employees don't have the brains to replace management, in other comments you made the claim that anyone could do what rich people do to get rich. This was the cornerstone of your "people are in the 47% because they're lazy and want handouts" argument. You see....no one has to respond to you nonsense, you'll argue against your self for them at some point. |
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maximus99
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| Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 5:15 pm Post subject: |
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| sharks-eat-commies wrote: | | maximus99 wrote: | | JerseyDevil wrote: | | Long_Duk_Dong wrote: | | Unions are greedy? Didnt they just sacrifice 550 million in earnings just to make sure 6 million in raises were not paid? Not the execs of course.....I mean the rank and file. |
No, they refused to make concessions to an ALREADY failing company. One that did a terrible job of promoting itself and keeping itself competitive with modern technology. All the unions managed to do was refuse to make concessions that would do NOTHING to save their jobs and would have only put more money into the hands of wall street investors and already high paid execs.
| maximus99 wrote: | | Why don't the unions buy the companies or start their own companies? |
Probably for the same reason Hostess doesn't grow their own wheat for flour and grow their own sugarcane for sugar and raise their own chickens for eggs. You can't be all things. Maybe if the company had learned to keep competitive it would still be solvent. Maybe if the company engaged in profit sharing the workers would actually 'own' the company and could be held responsible for the poor decisions made on behalf of the company and 18000 people would still have jobs. |
Not true. Many companies do exactly as you described. It is called verticle integration.
THe reality is the management can replace the union workers and the workers don't have the brains to replace management. |
Max, if someone waits long enough you will prove one of your previous claims wrong by contradicting yourself. You have done this many times. On this thread you say that employees don't have the brains to replace management, in other comments you made the claim that anyone could do what rich people do to get rich. This was the cornerstone of your "people are in the 47% because they're lazy and want handouts" argument. You see....no one has to respond to you nonsense, you'll argue against your self for them at some point. |
No. YOu are distorting my post. I did not say ANYONE could do it. I asked you why they didn't do the same jobs as the rich. THe poor don't do the same jobs as the rich becuase they don't have the brains or work ethics.
Most people don't respond becuase they can't dispute my points. |
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sharks-eat-commies
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| Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 5:25 pm Post subject: |
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| maximus99 wrote: | | sharks-eat-commies wrote: | | maximus99 wrote: | | JerseyDevil wrote: | | Long_Duk_Dong wrote: | | Unions are greedy? Didnt they just sacrifice 550 million in earnings just to make sure 6 million in raises were not paid? Not the execs of course.....I mean the rank and file. |
No, they refused to make concessions to an ALREADY failing company. One that did a terrible job of promoting itself and keeping itself competitive with modern technology. All the unions managed to do was refuse to make concessions that would do NOTHING to save their jobs and would have only put more money into the hands of wall street investors and already high paid execs.
| maximus99 wrote: | | Why don't the unions buy the companies or start their own companies? |
Probably for the same reason Hostess doesn't grow their own wheat for flour and grow their own sugarcane for sugar and raise their own chickens for eggs. You can't be all things. Maybe if the company had learned to keep competitive it would still be solvent. Maybe if the company engaged in profit sharing the workers would actually 'own' the company and could be held responsible for the poor decisions made on behalf of the company and 18000 people would still have jobs. |
Not true. Many companies do exactly as you described. It is called verticle integration.
THe reality is the management can replace the union workers and the workers don't have the brains to replace management. |
Max, if someone waits long enough you will prove one of your previous claims wrong by contradicting yourself. You have done this many times. On this thread you say that employees don't have the brains to replace management, in other comments you made the claim that anyone could do what rich people do to get rich. This was the cornerstone of your "people are in the 47% because they're lazy and want handouts" argument. You see....no one has to respond to you nonsense, you'll argue against your self for them at some point. |
No. YOu are distorting my post. I did not say ANYONE could do it. I asked you why they didn't do the same jobs as the rich. THe poor don't do the same jobs as the rich becuase they don't have the brains or work ethics.
Most people don't respond becuase they can't dispute my points. |
Everyone disputes your posts. It's easy because they are nonsense. |
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spazcat
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| Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 5:37 pm Post subject: |
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to dispute your points you would have to have one! unless the point is that you are an uneducated racist and many have agreed on that point. in fact its nearly as bad a landsllide as obama vs. romney, remember that one?  |
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Long_Duk_Dong
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| Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 5:41 pm Post subject: |
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Didnt Spazpublican put Nutmaximus on ignore
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JerseyDevil
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| Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 6:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Long_Duk_Dong wrote: | | So the union demanding that a delivery guy could not deliver bread and twinkies at the same time was the companies choice? Cut it out Jersey.....they had almost 400 collective bargaining agreements(many like the driver not being smart enough to deliver 2 products) with unions. Classic. |
Those collective bargaining agreements are rubber stamped from one area to another. Don't pretend like anyone was wasting time and money negotiating 400 different agreements. I don't know why they negotiated to deliver different products at different times and don't pretend to but if deliveries are run like other companies, I suspect it would have shut more people out of work or forced down their wages.
The company failed because MANAGEMENT was poor. They didn't upgrade equipment and they did a cr@p job of promoting their own products, lousy as they were. It's always easy to blame the lowest paid people. You and max continue to demonstrate that.
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JerseyDevil
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| Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 6:36 pm Post subject: |
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| maximus99 wrote: | | JerseyDevil wrote: | | Long_Duk_Dong wrote: | | Unions are greedy? Didnt they just sacrifice 550 million in earnings just to make sure 6 million in raises were not paid? Not the execs of course.....I mean the rank and file. |
No, they refused to make concessions to an ALREADY failing company. One that did a terrible job of promoting itself and keeping itself competitive with modern technology. All the unions managed to do was refuse to make concessions that would do NOTHING to save their jobs and would have only put more money into the hands of wall street investors and already high paid execs.
| maximus99 wrote: | | Why don't the unions buy the companies or start their own companies? |
Probably for the same reason Hostess doesn't grow their own wheat for flour and grow their own sugarcane for sugar and raise their own chickens for eggs. You can't be all things. Maybe if the company had learned to keep competitive it would still be solvent. Maybe if the company engaged in profit sharing the workers would actually 'own' the company and could be held responsible for the poor decisions made on behalf of the company and 18000 people would still have jobs. |
Not true. Many companies do exactly as you described. It is called verticle integration.
THe reality is the management can replace the union workers and the workers don't have the brains to replace management. |
I know what vertical integration is and no they didn't engage in it. Not that it would have saved their company, you clearly missed my point that it's not practical for most companies. It also wouldn't be practical for management to bake their own goods and deliver them. Does that make them incompetent? Of course not.
If management had the right to replace the union workers, it seems logic would dictate they should have, if they were in fact the reason for the company going under. I guess they failed at that opportunity too, doesn't make them look any better now does it? And what do 'brains' have to do with replacing management? Where do workers get to replace management?
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john
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| Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 6:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Long_Duk_Dong wrote: | Didnt Spazpublican put Nutmaximus on ignore
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I have Nutmaximus on ignore . I now have to leave this thread because his racist remarks are copied whenever a sane person tries to respond to his lunacy . Good bye . |
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