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PostPosted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 6:32 pm    Post subject: Is America A Republic Or a Democracy?????? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I Leave This Question to You ALL...Start Here.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 6:45 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

It's a republic.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 6:50 pm    Post subject: Re: Is America A Republic Or a Democracy?????? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Abaddon wrote:
Is America A Republic Or a Democracy??????
How about a democratic republic?

Prov-i-dence, is it you?

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 8:33 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

JerseyDevil wrote:
It's a republic.

"...if you can keep it"!
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 8:36 pm    Post subject: Re: Is America A Republic Or a Democracy?????? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Cops and Robbers wrote:
Abaddon wrote:
Is America A Republic Or a Democracy??????
How about a democratic republic?

Prov-i-dence, is it you?

http://www.capemaycountyherald.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=239918&highlight=#239918


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 8:40 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

autofyrsto wrote:
JerseyDevil wrote:
It's a republic.

"...if you can keep it"!
Republicans gave corporations the new right to spend unlimited sums from their vast treasuries to influence future elections - what could go wrong?
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 9:09 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Don't be a self righteous hypocrite Cops.Both parties are :bologna: in the pockets of money and influential groups(unions).Pitching or Catching The Wad Doesn't make you less of a :bologna:

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Top overall Donors.
1 Service Employees International Union $8,843,085 $2,087,460 100% 0% $6,755,625
2 Perry Homes $7,545,800 $445,800 0% 100% $7,100,000
3 National Education Assn $7,048,043 $2,637,793 95% 5% $4,410,250
4 American Federation of Teachers $5,298,120 $2,812,620 100% 0% $2,485,500
5 National Assn of Realtors $5,144,889 $4,039,266 55% 45% $1,105,623
6 TRT Holdings $5,033,380 $191,500 0% 100% $4,841,880
7 American Fedn of St/Cnty/Munic Employees $4,480,157 $2,762,100 100% 0% $1,718,057
8 Club for Growth $4,137,765 $3,259,419 0% 100% $878,346
9 AT&T Inc $4,027,785 $4,023,035 44% 56% $4,750
10 Honeywell International $3,862,595 $3,862,085 54% 46% $510
11 American Assn for Justice $3,832,350 $3,057,350 97% 3% $775,000
12 Teamsters Union $3,830,458 $2,605,458 98% 2% $1,225,000
13 Carpenters & Joiners Union $3,584,625 $2,474,625 89% 11% $1,110,000
14 United Food & Commercial Workers Union $3,508,250 $2,100,750 100% 0% $1,407,500
15 National Beer Wholesalers Assn $3,489,691 $3,489,691 53% 47% $0
16 Laborers Union $3,481,450 $2,462,950 96% 4% $1,018,500
17 Intl Brotherhood of Electrical Workers $3,465,483 $3,395,483 98% 2% $70,000
18 Comcast Corp $3,460,054 $3,460,054 61% 39% $0
19 Public Storage Inc $3,348,875 $98,125 1% 99% $3,250,750
20 International Assn of Fire Fighters $3,330,700 $2,705,700 82% 18% $625,000
21 Our Future Ohio $3,216,000 $0 0% 0% $3,216,000
22 Democratic Governors Assn $3,102,000 $2,000 100% 0% $3,100,000
23 Blue Cross/Blue Shield $3,058,227 $3,057,927 38% 62% $300
24 American Bankers Assn $3,055,854 $3,055,854 32% 68% $0
25 Communications Workers of America $3,044,800 $2,056,800 98% 2% $988,000
26 Pharmaceutical Product Development Inc $3,032,535 $53,000 0% 100% $2,979,535
27 National Assn of Letter Carriers $2,926,400 $2,126,400 97% 3% $800,000
28 Operating Engineers Union $2,893,585 $2,873,585 89% 11% $20,000
29 Boeing Co $2,874,656 $2,872,406 55% 45% $2,250
30 EMILY's List $2,791,737 $2,547,120 100% 0% $244,617
31 General Electric $2,769,163 $2,769,163 59% 41% $0
32 Goldman Sachs $2,697,027 $2,691,777 40% 60% $5,250
33 Lockheed Martin $2,694,381 $2,691,881 54% 46% $2,500
34 Credit Union National Assn $2,628,293 $2,628,293 55% 45% $0
35 National Auto Dealers Assn $2,602,150 $2,602,150 45% 55% $0
36 Alliance Resource Partners $2,579,650 $154,650 2% 98% $2,425,000
37 Microsoft Corp $2,466,744 $2,462,994 59% 41% $3,750
38 Bank of America $2,450,042 $2,411,542 36% 64% $38,500
39 National Assn of Home Builders $2,305,950 $2,305,950 37% 63% $0
40 National Air Traffic Controllers Assn $2,303,050 $2,267,050 83% 17% $36,000
41 Deloitte Touche Tohmatsu $2,283,872 $2,283,622 43% 57% $250
42 Berkshire Hathaway $2,276,902 $2,276,152 43% 57% $750
43 Plumbers/Pipefitters Union $2,266,928 $2,266,928 96% 4% $0
44 American Crystal Sugar $2,260,050 $2,260,050 68% 32% $0
45 America's Families First $2,211,000 $0 0% 0% $2,211,000
46 Machinists/Aerospace Workers Union $2,207,000 $2,207,000 98% 2% $0
47 New York Life Insurance $2,187,097 $2,186,797 54% 46% $300
48 PricewaterhouseCoopers $2,179,841 $2,179,841 45% 55% $0
49 Raytheon Co $2,150,053 $2,148,853 53% 47% $1,200
50 Koch Industries $2,147,513 $2,147,513 7% 93% $0
51 United Parcel Service $2,141,239 $2,140,464 44% 56% $775
52 American Hospital Assn $2,040,560 $2,040,560 65% 35% $0
53 Harold C Simmons Family Trust $2,000,000 $0 0% 0% $2,000,000
54 Verizon Communications $1,960,473 $1,959,473 52% 48% $1,000
55 Elliott Management $1,953,297 $1,953,297 2% 98% $0
56 Susan B Anthony List $1,940,074 $230,294 2% 98% $1,709,780
57 Sheet Metal Workers Union $1,929,800 $1,609,800 99% 1% $320,000
58 JPMorgan Chase & Co $1,928,210 $1,920,460 44% 56% $7,750
59 American Dental Assn $1,916,706 $1,791,706 50% 50% $125,000
60 AFLAC Inc $1,907,850 $1,907,850 48% 52% $0
61 United Auto Workers $1,858,625 $1,733,625 100% 0% $125,000
62 National Community Pharmacists Assn $1,853,803 $1,853,803 58% 42% $0
63 Wells Fargo $1,815,231 $1,779,781 34% 66% $35,450
64 National Cable & Telecommunications Assn $1,801,950 $1,801,950 56% 44% $0
65 National Rural Electric Cooperative Assn $1,779,750 $1,779,750 49% 51% $0
66 Ironworkers Union $1,757,200 $1,732,200 97% 3% $25,000
67 American Postal Workers Union $1,748,700 $1,748,700 99% 1% $0
68 Ernst & Young $1,746,599 $1,745,499 47% 53% $1,100
69 Pfizer Inc $1,739,554 $1,739,554 53% 47% $0
70 Every Republican Is Crucial PAC $1,727,846 $1,727,846 0% 100% $0
71 Air Line Pilots Assn $1,704,650 $1,704,650 88% 12% $0
72 Northrop Grumman $1,687,470 $1,684,720 56% 44% $2,750
73 Wal-Mart Stores $1,672,256 $1,671,756 49% 51% $500
74 AFL-CIO $1,663,912 $1,146,075 94% 6% $517,837
75 League of Conservation Voters $1,662,957 $1,064,893 96% 4% $598,064
76 Akin, Gump et al $1,613,519 $1,606,019 75% 25% $7,500
77 Morgan Stanley $1,589,420 $1,578,620 43% 57% $10,800
78 Patton Boggs LLP $1,580,207 $1,579,957 75% 25% $250
79 American Assn of Orthopaedic Surgeons $1,548,700 $1,548,700 41% 59% $0
80 Home Depot $1,537,890 $1,537,890 31% 69% $0
81 General Dynamics $1,536,698 $1,536,298 60% 40% $400
82 United Transportation Union $1,531,165 $1,531,165 91% 9% $0
83 American Medical Assn $1,524,059 $1,524,059 53% 47% $0
84 FMR Corp $1,512,290 $1,511,990 49% 51% $300
85 American Society of Anesthesiologists $1,490,460 $1,490,460 44% 56% $0
86 Citigroup Inc $1,479,342 $1,422,066 44% 56% $57,276
87 Freedom Project $1,470,612 $1,470,612 0% 100% $0
88 CSX Corp $1,468,300 $1,468,300 58% 42% $0
89 American College of Radiology $1,450,350 $1,450,350 47% 53% $0
90 Natl Assn/Insurance & Financial Advisors $1,448,899 $1,448,899 41% 59% $0
91 Union Pacific Corp $1,444,055 $1,444,055 49% 51% $0
92 American Health Care Assn $1,443,692 $1,443,692 55% 45% $0
93 KPMG LLP $1,419,214 $1,418,964 48% 52% $250
94 National Electrical Contractors Assn $1,411,000 $1,411,000 45% 55% $0
95 Exxon Mobil $1,410,512 $1,407,306 12% 88% $3,206
96 Paloma Partners $1,396,100 $546,100 100% 0% $850,000
97 AmeriPAC: The Fund for a Greater America $1,394,227 $1,394,227 100% 0% $0
98 Altria Group $1,386,795 $1,386,295 27% 73% $500
99 United Technologies $1,378,313 $1,377,613 58% 42% $700
100 University of California $1,370,086 $865,786 87% 13%
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 10:07 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Cops and Robbers wrote:
Republicans gave corporations the new right to spend unlimited sums from their vast treasuries to influence future elections - what could go wrong?

Ha. Good one! My turn! Our government is $14,344,500,633,576.27 in debt. Medicare has made over $61,000,000,000,000 in future promises for which it presently has no funding. What could go wrong?
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 9:16 am    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

autofyrsto wrote:
What could go wrong?
What could go wrong? The Republicans could offer a Medicare "solution" that ends Medicare.

The Republican solution to our overall health care conundrum is to destroy Medicare, which operates at one tenth the overhead costs of private companies and only exists because the private sector won't sell health insurance to old people.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 9:47 am    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

prov-i-dence wrote:
Both parties are whores in the pockets of money...FAAAG

In a bitterly divided ruling, the five most "conservative" justices on the U.S. Supreme Court overturned a century of law to grant corporations and unions the spanking new right to spend unlimited sums of money to influence future elections.

The four moderates on the Court opposed this decision which will devastate our republican democracy.

Rush Limbaugh supported the ruling handing the country over to corporate special interests. Hannity supported. O'Reilly supported. That is their job.

Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell supported the dire ruling. The Senate's Democrats opposed.

Pres. Obama opposed.

The list goes on, rightwingers in power supporting this coup d'etat whereas progressives especially overwhelmingly opposed.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 9:57 am    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

autofyrsto wrote:
JerseyDevil wrote:
It's a republic.

"...if you can keep it"!

A Mrs. Powel of Philadelphia purportedly asked Benjamin Franklin, “Well, Doctor, what have we got, a republic or a monarchy?” Franklin responded, “A republic, if you can keep it.”

The question posed was a republic or a monarchy, not a republic or a democracy. Today this latter question gets asked us all the time, as if we must choose the one or the other. It is a false choice. Looking at my dictionary, it appears we are (nominally) both a democracy and a republic.
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It's a Christian country, according to some Republican candidates....
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 12:07 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

The Republican Party Versus Democracy

Daily Beast, june 24 -- It's about time we started saying openly what has been clear for months or even years now — that as long as economic recovery would work to the political benefit of Barack Obama, the Republicans have been, are, and will be in favor of sabotaging the economy.

Republican legislators are coming out against business tax cuts (read that again: Republicans against tax cuts for businesses) that Democrats happen to support.

Washington is a city of conspiracies, one is the fiction that both parties are more or less equally to blame for the present malfunctioning of our democracy. One hears this all the time. Nonsense. It is because of the extreme nature of the Republican Party and the right-wing noise machine that enforces such rigid partisan purity.


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http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/06/24/gop-out-to-sabotage-american-democracy-by-michael-tomasky.html
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 12:49 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Cops and Robbers wrote:
The Republican Party Versus Democracy

Daily Beast, june 24 -- It's about time we started saying openly what has been clear for months or even years now — that as long as economic recovery would work to the political benefit of Barack Obama, the Republicans have been, are, and will be in favor of sabotaging the economy.

Republican legislators are coming out against business tax cuts (read that again: Republicans against tax cuts for businesses) that Democrats happen to support.

Washington is a city of conspiracies, one is the fiction that both parties are more or less equally to blame for the present malfunctioning of our democracy. One hears this all the time. Nonsense. It is because of the extreme nature of the Republican Party and the right-wing noise machine that enforces such rigid partisan purity.


Read more.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/06/24/gop-out-to-sabotage-american-democracy-by-michael-tomasky.html


This is true. It's a fundamental fault in our system. If one party does something good for the country, he will be seen favorably and the other side must discredit that in order to get back in power...that's where the big bucks and opportunities are and that's all they care about. Our country comes in a sad third. It's one reason why America is so mediocre in so many ways.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 12:54 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Cops and Robbers wrote:
In a bitterly divided ruling, the five most "conservative" justices on the U.S. Supreme Court overturned a century of law to grant corporations and unions the spanking new right to spend unlimited sums of money to influence future elections.

I don't believe I have ever seen you bring yourself to state the name of the decision, much less link to its text or quote from it. You should start calling it "The decision of which we shall not speak".
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And so which type of Republic is it? We also know that Vietnam is a Republic. Of course it is "termed" a socialist republic, which some might even suggest is what our current leaders are striving to make this country. Is that what we are to become, I have no idea but I certainly hope not. There must be a balance somewhere between the "radical" right and the "loonie" left and I would hope that somehow the Senate and Congress would find that mid-ground to settle on.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 4:43 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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I would hope that somehow the Senate and Congress would find that mid-ground to settle on.

"The symposiast will then note, sighing forlornly, that we appear to be light years away from consummating even these modest actions. He will then bemoan a vague 'lack of political will' or 'absence of leadership' as the reason for the inertia. Nonsense. There’s nothing vague about it. It’s crystal clear. We can’t do these things because of the extreme nature of the Republican Party and the right-wing noise machine that enforces such rigid ideological purity. Period and end of story."

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/06/24/gop-out-to-sabotage-american-democracy-by-michael-tomasky.html
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The Republican Party Versus Democracy

"Rep. Eric Cantor’s withdrawal from the Biden budget talks shows it again. They cannot negotiate, because negotiating means accepting something you don’t like, which the right wing noise machine will not permit."
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Soooo......Progressive- Populist-Statism is the Only Answer??????..Exactly How many neighbors does it take to be More Important than Myself????..What if i told you a little secret...My Money taken or My Money given,is a little part of My Life"s living.Government is now in the business of selling protection from the things it created. Twisted Evil
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LSMFT wrote:
And so which type of Republic is it? We also know that Vietnam is a Republic. Of course it is "termed" a socialist republic, which some might even suggest is what our current leaders are striving to make this country. Is that what we are to become, I have no idea but I certainly hope not. There must be a balance somewhere between the "radical" right and the "loonie" left and I would hope that somehow the Senate and Congress would find that mid-ground to settle on.


Isn't a balance between the "radical right" and the "loonie left" socialism...that strikes a balance between the two? Successful Socialist countries seem to be far better off in most ways than we are.

Maybe I haven't been around long enough to know, but it seems that our Government is more polarized now, than ever.
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Polarization occurs when a multitude of things happen..for instance...Sudden Circumstances(War ,Famine ,Natural Disaster),or gradual circumstances(social opinion,trends,ineffective political policy)...Polarization is the consequence of the self created Termites gnawing on the Foundation of the thing that feeds them.. Twisted Evil
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Government is more polarized now, than ever.
Republicans refuse to agree with Obama even when he adopts their policy positions. Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell has admitted the Republican strategy is to obstruct.

We saw it again when Republicans voted against Obama on Libya. Sen. McConnell admitted the vote would have been different if "the guy in the White House was on your side." McConnell's words. So whose side are Republicans on, Colonel Gaddafi's side?
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Cops and Robbers wrote:
posterX wrote:
Government is more polarized now, than ever.
Republicans refuse to agree with Obama even when he adopts their policy positions. Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell has admitted the Republican strategy is to obstruct.

We saw it again when Republicans voted against Obama on Libya. Sen. McConnell admitted the vote would have been different if "the guy in the White House was on your side." McConnell's words. So whose side are Republicans on, Colonel Gaddafi's side?


Further the party's interests at all cost...even at the expense of the US.
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posterX wrote:
Successful Socialist countries seem to be far better off in most ways than we are.


Name one, Name several.
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