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Liberals take their ball and.... cross the border??
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freddy



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 5:46 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Yes one for all and all for one. Oh but sorry the rest of the unionwont take pay cuts to keep all employeed. Now thats unity that your dues pay for. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
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JerseyDevil



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 5:52 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

freddy wrote:
Its always abou the money my genius friend. If it is not the they would have been paying for their own healthcare, paying for their own pensions and voluntarily taken pay cuts so their union "brothers and sisters" would not get fired. Not about the money HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHA.

Who keeps saying that they're not paying for their own pensions? And why do you keep believing it? About the only plan that I liked from Christie is the plan to move everyone to 8.5% contributions like PFRS does. They pay the most and have been the most successful pension, until it was robbed and not repaid that is, but thats another thread. Let me break down some math for you Freddy:
1)PFRS members contribute 8.5% of their salaries and employers are supposed to match it.
2)They are NOT eligible for SS unless they earn enough quarters outside of their police or fire jobs and if they DO collect from that, they take a major hit on their benefit, around 50%. Currently SS contributions are 6.25%.
3)If PFRS members were forced into say 401k like so many people think they should, both employers and employees would now be responsible for the 6.25% contribution to SS. Tack on the 3% max employer contribution and they could be paying as much as 9.25% for each employees retirement. That's higher than 8.5% isn't it.
4)Pensions are also a good source for borrowing for their members, who pay prime rate to borrow their own money and end up contributing even more to the pension.
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Cops and Robbers



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 4:35 am    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Tensions Rise As Indiana Republicans Plan to Put Collective Bargaining to a Vote
http://motherjones.com/mojo/2011/02/tensions-rise-indiana-legislators-put-collective-bargaining-vote


Ohio Republicans propose eliminating collective bargaining rights for state employees and drawing the ire of thousands of workers throughout the state.
http://www.newsrecord.org/news/senate-bill-5-sparks-uproar-1.2475202
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barracuda



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 5:59 am    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Jersey Devil. The PFRS contribution was established at 8.5% rather than the PERS or PTRF rate of 5.5% because the PFRS is a much more expensive and enhanced pension than the others. I do not understand why Christie is raising the other public employees and teachers pension contribution and not equally increasing the Police and Fire. Many are questioning why the difference.
The basic problem is the employee contributions are "locked in" by the government, whereas the taxpayer funded portion is not. As the benefits were enhanced some 9% by legislation in 2001, it was the taxpayer who got stuck with the difference.
There is no longer a match between the taxpayers and employees. The taxpayers are contributing more than double the employee........$27 thousand per every PFRS employee this year alone and growing. It is unsustainable.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 9:12 am    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

barracuda wrote:
Jersey Devil. The PFRS contribution was established at 8.5% rather than the PERS or PTRF rate of 5.5% because the PFRS is a much more expensive and enhanced pension than the others. I do not understand why Christie is raising the other public employees and teachers pension contribution and not equally increasing the Police and Fire. Many are questioning why the difference.
The basic problem is the employee contributions are "locked in" by the government, whereas the taxpayer funded portion is not. As the benefits were enhanced some 9% by legislation in 2001, it was the taxpayer who got stuck with the difference.
There is no longer a match between the taxpayers and employees. The taxpayers are contributing more than double the employee........$27 thousand per every PFRS employee this year alone and growing. It is unsustainable.

I'd like to read about this enhancement that everyone keeps talking about. Can you point me in the right direction for information on that? The only 'enhancement' I'm aware of of the unpaid contributions by state and local governments which have to be paid and have been reported as increased liabilities, painting the picture that they now owe more when in reality, they're simply paying what are essentially arrears.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 8:16 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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The National Education Association, which represents 3.2 million workers, said teachers' collective bargaining rights are also being targeted by proposals in Ohio, Idaho, Indiana and other states. The plan strikes at a key Democratic Party constituency
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