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WWFUTURE



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 12:42 pm    Post subject: Unions Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Each union should under stand the current economic conditions and give cut backs in there contracts for Goverment workers to save job's .For example the State of New Jersey's Contract runs out in June no talk's yet ,The UAW contract in Wildwood ran out 1/1/2011 no talk's yet by union . concessions should be made to help us Tax payers.
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Poor Trailer Trash



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 12:46 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Wanna help out the taxpayer?? Stop giving free healthcare, foodstamps,housing to ILLEGALS!!! 4 to 6 billion dollars last year............................................................................................................................. Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 12:48 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Please stop listening to FOX .

http://money.cnn.com/2011/02/16/news/economy/middle_class/index.htm
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 12:50 pm    Post subject: Re: Unions Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

WWFUTURE wrote:
Each union should under stand the current economic conditions and give cut backs in there contracts for Goverment workers to save job's .For example the State of New Jersey's Contract runs out in June no talk's yet ,The UAW contract in Wildwood ran out 1/1/2011 no talk's yet by union . concessions should be made to help us Tax payers.


And the Unions have agreed to give back. So what is the problem? The Governor of Wisconsin wants to destroy the Union forever. Please watch more News sources.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 1:02 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

The majority of Americans do not pay federal taxes, and very little state taxes, the most important tax that can affect a tax payer is their local purpose tax rate, which is paid through your property tax. The Federal Government is not going to supplement it and the State is turning off any aid. We are left with a local budget that is 70-80 percent employee based. If guys like mayor demarzo don't draw the line, then your property taxes go up.

Soon you will be left with no money for paper, no money for roads, no money for pipes and pencils. The employees will eat up 100 of the budget and we will just see them standing around unable to do anything because because there is no money for nothing but their salaries and benefits. I don't get where "you government employees" think the money comes from..... Everyone cannot work for the government....
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 1:42 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Unions created the 60K toll taker, the $20.00 an hour food bagger, the 55K postal clerk, the 100K NYC garbage man etcetcetcetc Embarassed Embarassed Embarassed Embarassed Embarassed
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 1:47 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

There are private unions such as the Carpenters, Electricians and so on... Then there are thepublic unions such as the NJEA, FOP, PBA, STFA, GWU and so on. No problems with private unions, they either can bid competitively or not get the job. It is the Government unions they are stangling us. AGAIN everyone cannot work for the government.... Go make a good living in the private sector.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 2:01 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

stink_e wrote:
There are private unions such as the Carpenters, Electricians and so on... Then there are thepublic unions such as the NJEA, FOP, PBA, STFA, GWU and so on. No problems with private unions, they either can bid competitively or not get the job. It is the Government unions they are stangling us. AGAIN everyone cannot work for the government.... Go make a good living in the private sector.


No- It's the wealth being held by the most wealthy and powerful that is strangling us. There is just as much wealth as ever in this country yet a very few have access to it. Taxes are low expenses are high what happens when you give a tax break? debt goes higher expenses get higher. What happens when you try to balance the budget? Cut programs that help the poor and middle class. What happens? The wealthy continue to get wealthier and the middle class joins the poor.2 class system is well on its way.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 2:14 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Socialism does not work, http://socialistparty-usa.org/

I am not willing to work harder so you don't have to. 30 to 40 cents of every dollar I earn goes to government taxes it has to stop. "A government big enough to give you everything you want, is big enough to take away everything you have." TJ

AGAIN everyone cannot work for the government.... Go make a good living in the private sector.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 2:45 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

lol. Clueless. You are right Socialism doesn't work. Neither does unchecked Capitalism. Haven't you learned anything from this Recession? Top earners cause it, Top earners get bailed out, Middle class pays for it. Recovery starts Wealthy class makes progress Middle class still suffering with low employment lower wages and brace for inflation. What happens- Middle class Unions get blamed take pay cuts, lose more jobs big business can pay even less People just happy to have a job. Standard of living for most lowered.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 2:52 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

In this current situation it is WAYYYYY different than the old Concrete Jungle scenario.....This is about Union vs Taxpayer...And the service aint worth the price. Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 2:59 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

stink_e wrote:
Socialism does not work, http://socialistparty-usa.org/

I am not willing to work harder so you don't have to. 30 to 40 cents of every dollar I earn goes to government taxes it has to stop. "A government big enough to give you everything you want, is big enough to take away everything you have." TJ

AGAIN everyone cannot work for the government.... Go make a good living in the private sector.

Don't government employees also pay 30 to 40 cents of every dollar they earn to government taxes?
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 3:05 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

prov-i-dence wrote:
In this current situation it is WAYYYYY different than the old Concrete Jungle scenario.....This is about Union vs Taxpayer...And the service aint worth the price. Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad


It sure is different. But that is only because of the Unions successes over the years. Reallity is these Public Unions will have to take cuts but What's the solution? The same problem exhists ,pressure is to lower standard of living even as economy gets better. a middle class person you have 1 option, Buy big Business. People are too stupid to see what's happening. It may already be too late. They have half the Middle class blaming the other for the situation.

Scream for Term Limits, Buy stock in the Biggest most powerful companies, Support all Unions in the private sector. Support all Unions in the Public sector( With few exceptions) Wildwood is an exception due to its size of membership vs the population.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 3:35 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Scream.....taxes are unfair.....Scream .Guarantees are unfair.............Scream ...There are no guarantees in life!!!!!!!!.............Entitlements are entitlements ,whether you don't deserve or think you do.....I Will work till I'm 68...My public employee friends will have been retired 20 years by then...my wages pay for their retirement and my wages pay for mine,for no other reason that public sector jobs are sacred and private sector jobs are greedy and fluid. Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 4:12 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

prov-i-dence wrote:
Scream.....taxes are unfair.....Scream .Guarantees are unfair.............Scream ...There are no guarantees in life!!!!!!!!.............Entitlements are entitlements ,whether you don't deserve or think you do.....I Will work till I'm 68...My public employee friends will have been retired 20 years by then...my wages pay for their retirement and my wages pay for mine,for no other reason that public sector jobs are sacred and private sector jobs are greedy and fluid. Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad


I agree Taxes are Unfair, (too low for the wealthy) Guarantees are unfair( I agree that is why contracts last specific negotiated time periods) There are no Guarantees in Life (I agree except for I guarantee that those with wealth and power make the rules for those with wealth and power).
Unions give workers some power without that power we would almost all be working more hours, have less benefits worse schools for middle and lower class kids, Sick days? unfair hiring practices? workplace safety rules, can go on and on. Much of the argument on here is jealousy driven( because your job stinks) or greed (because you make much and want more at the expense of others,
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 4:48 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

stink_e wrote:
AGAIN everyone cannot work for the government.

Note: There are currently fewer employees in the federal government on a per capita basis than at any time back to the early ‘60s.


Federal employees are plummeting as a total share of the workforce.

•In 1953, there was one Federal worker for every 78 residents.

•In 1989, there was one Federal employee for every 110 residents.

•By 2009, the ratio had dropped to one Federal employee for every 147 residents.



Does Stinky know what 'per capita' means?


http://blogs.forbes.com/rickungar/2011/02/15/boehner-happy-to-sacrifice-jobs-to-win-spending-cuts/


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 4:48 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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Don't government employees also pay 30 to 40 cents of every dollar they earn to government taxes?


I liken that to your kids giving you a Christmas gift with the allowance you gave them or your wife buying you a gift from a joint account.

The money has to come from an outside source. The only thing this country produces is consumers. Where do we get the money to buy the products.

I said it once I will say it again. "everyone cannot work for the government.... Go make a good living in the private sector."
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 4:52 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

stink_e wrote:
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Don't government employees also pay 30 to 40 cents of every dollar they earn to government taxes?


I liken that to your kids giving you a Christmas gift with the allowance you gave them or your wife buying you a gift from a joint account.

The money has to come from an outside source. The only thing this country produces is consumers. Where do we get the money to buy the products.

I said it once I will say it again. "everyone cannot work for the government.... Go make a good living in the private sector."


Stink e - why say it again he already explained that the amount of government wokers is not an issue and explained why. you just repeat the same statement over and over in big red letters then black trying to make it semm more profound?
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 4:54 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

stink_e wrote:
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Don't government employees also pay 30 to 40 cents of every dollar they earn to government taxes?


I liken that to your kids giving you a Christmas gift with the allowance you gave them or your wife buying you a gift from a joint account.

The money has to come from an outside source. The only thing this country produces is consumers. Where do we get the money to buy the products.

I said it once I will say it again. "everyone cannot work for the government.... Go make a good living in the private sector."

A) If the jobs were available in the private sector, people would take them. If private schools were more successful and more accessible, people would use them. Same goes for other services that could be offered by private companies.
B) The alternative is putting those publically employed out of work and having them take money from tax payers for sitting at home via unemployment or welfare.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 4:55 pm    Post subject: Re: Unions Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

WWFUTURE wrote:
Each union should under stand the current economic conditions and give cut backs....concessions should be made to help us Tax payers.
Yahoo News, Sat. Feb. 19 -- Republican attempts to disband public workers unions is part of a broad strategy to undermine US President Barak Obama and his Democrats at the ballot box, analysts said. And the current budget crisis facing state and local governments gives them political cover and support from anxious taxpayers at a time when Americans are unemployed and private sector workers have seen wages fall and benefits slashed."
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 4:58 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

stink_e = Sea_Isle ? Laughing
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 4:59 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2010-03-04-federal-pay_N.htm

Federal employees earn higher average salaries than private-sector workers in more than eight out of 10 occupations, a USA TODAY analysis of federal data finds.

These salary figures do not include the value of health, pension and other benefits, which averaged $40,785 per federal employee in 2008 vs. $9,882 per private worker, according to the Bureau of Economic Analysis.

On average private sector jobs are making on $27 dollars per hour vs. public sector jobs that are $40 dollars per hour.

Public Sector Unions have to get a grip.

Does Cops and Robbers know what "competitive pricing' means?
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 5:04 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Ramjet wrote:
stink_e = Sea_Isle ? Laughing

Bingo! The liar pretending it's about fiscal responsibility when it's really political.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 5:12 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Its almost disturbing how obsessed you two are with SI. Its like your Spout Off self gratification.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 5:17 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

And right on cue, Frank Sinatra, "Send In The Clowns."
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