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PostPosted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 12:38 pm    Post subject: Re: guns Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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He was a nut that bought a glock and a bunch of clips...and he murdered people. Yea, someone wioth a gun would have started shooting back at him and how many other innocent people would have died? Or, How many more nuts could just start murdering when they get ticked off... Eagles fans trashed a Green Bay Packers fan's car at the Link after the game.. could you imagine if all the drunk losers had guns? Could you imagine how many shooting they would be in Wildwood and N. Wildwood on a Friday-Sat night outside bars? Road rage?

Carrying guns is insanity.......Ban all freaking people from CARRYING handguns, and anybody who wants to OWN a gun must see a shrink, take tests, get certified, and only buy one gun a freakin' year. And do everyting possible to get guns off the street...

My question is: What about the rights of all AMERICANS to NOT live in fear that they will get shot by some nut, drunk, carzy person, road-rage loon etc. This nut walked into a gun store , bought a Glock and some clips then MURDERED People and a kid. WHAT about their rights? Yea, guns for everybody...that is insane..... And suppose all people had guns? How would you know if the dude was shooting alone, or others were with him when they pulled their guns out? The answer: you wouldn't...peoplem would just start shooting.. "Well, I thought the guy next to him who drew his gun was with him....real sorry I shot the kids standing next to him..I'm not a good shot ." Do you think Obama wold be alive today if people could carry guns at one of his speeches? Answer that one? Gee, right wingers vwho LOVE the Constitution have NO problem with messing with the 14th Amendment, so I have no problem with changing the right to keep arms ( handguns,semi-and automatic weapons, ) clause...for the benefit of all Americans..... simple: if the nut couldn;t get a gun, those people would be alive today..


wERM,

Do you support drug legalization Question Shocked
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 1:05 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

From CCC:
"Last March, at the height of the health care reform battle, Giffords' office was vandalized. She mentioned in an MSNBC interview that a Sarah Palin graphic had depicted her district in the crosshair of a gun sight. "They've got to realize there are consequences to that," she said. "The rhetoric is incredibly heated." The corner next to her office had also become, she said, a popular spot for Tea Party protests. (See "40 Under 40: The Rising Stars of American Politics.")

As Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik put it in an extraordinary and melancholic press conference after the shooting, "we have become the Mecca for prejudice and bigotry."

So I guess the Sheriff is wrong? Yes, legalize weed but not other hard drugs." So that would be akin to: Ban 99.9 percent of people who don't need to carry a handgun, yet let people keep their stupid handguns and rifles, etrc in thei HOMESand shotguns in your home for "defense" And make sure NO mentally unstable people (birthers!) can by a gun. Oh..by the way..most people who own guns in their home have that gun USED in their home..heat of passion murder, kid playing with it..etc) some defense..
So keep your guns for huntin, shooting cans or whatever gets you off..but NO handguins on the street (and get serious with illegal guns).. Did you know that a HUGE percenbtage pf illegal crimes are commited outside of AZ with guns bought in AZ--because they're gun laws are a joke???. You all cool with that?
People are dead because of a nut with a handgun-- no gun, no deaths--simple.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 4:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Guns don't kill people, ERM kills people with the rhetoric blasphemy
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 4:13 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Funny. Every time a dirtball muslim kills someone in the name of allah as taught in the koran the libs say not to blame the book. Now some nut shots someone and they do whatever they can to blame a rep politician. Typical hypocrites.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 5:28 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

ERM wrote:
So keep your guns for huntin, shooting cans or whatever gets you off..but NO handguins on the street (and get serious with illegal guns).. Did you know that a HUGE percenbtage pf illegal crimes are commited outside of AZ with guns bought in AZ--because they're gun laws are a joke???. You all cool with that?
People are dead because of a nut with a handgun-- no gun, no deaths--simple.

"When the U.S. Supreme Court struck down the handgun ban in the nation's capital in 2008, Representative Gabrielle Giffords applauded the ruling, calling gun ownership "an Arizona tradition." That she had co-signed a congressional amicus brief against the ban came as no surprise: she has always been pro-gun, and she represents a state with a history of proud gun ownership and lax gun laws."

This kid should have never passed the FEDERAL BACKGROUND CHECKS. This could have easily occurred inside a super market, a Mc Donalds, a college campus or a high school cafeteria. Maybe we need to FIX whatever is broken that allows deranged people to qualify for gun ownership. Good luck with banning guns altogether, ERM. One of the victims doesn't even agree with you.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 7:03 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

ERM wrote:
From CCC:
"Last March, at the height of the health care reform battle, Giffords' office was vandalized. She mentioned in an MSNBC interview that a Sarah Palin graphic had depicted her district in the crosshair of a gun sight. "They've got to realize there are consequences to that," she said. "The rhetoric is incredibly heated." The corner next to her office had also become, she said, a popular spot for Tea Party protests. (See "40 Under 40: The Rising Stars of American Politics.")

As Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik put it in an extraordinary and melancholic press conference after the shooting, "we have become the Mecca for prejudice and bigotry."

So I guess the Sheriff is wrong? Yes, legalize weed but not other hard drugs." So that would be akin to: Ban 99.9 percent of people who don't need to carry a handgun, yet let people keep their stupid handguns and rifles, etrc in thei HOMESand shotguns in your home for "defense" And make sure NO mentally unstable people (birthers!) can by a gun. Oh..by the way..most people who own guns in their home have that gun USED in their home..heat of passion murder, kid playing with it..etc) some defense..
So keep your guns for huntin, shooting cans or whatever gets you off..but NO handguins on the street (and get serious with illegal guns).. Did you know that a HUGE percenbtage pf illegal crimes are commited outside of AZ with guns bought in AZ--because they're gun laws are a joke???. You all cool with that?
People are dead because of a nut with a handgun-- no gun, no deaths--simple.


Killer gun boy smoked weed, and the Congresswoman believed in the 2nd Amendment. Your very lame rhetoric is complete garbage. Just like a liberal to try to change the laws because of one nutcase. Shocked When are you going to stop protecting the killers wERM Question Shocked
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 7:34 pm    Post subject: Re: Arizona Congresswoman shot in head... Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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Watching it on CNN. That is messed up... Shocked Bunch of people injured Shocked
Mantis is Another government worker watching TV when he should be working Embarassed Embarassed Embarassed Embarassed Embarassed
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 7:44 pm    Post subject: Re: Arizona Congresswoman shot in head... Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 11:22 am    Post subject: one Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I don't think there is any scientific evidence that weed makes one shoot somebody....in fact, weed makes you chill..

One nutcase? You are joking right? How many senseless murders are committed every day in America? How many wounded? You are joking right?
Dallas Green's grandaughter would be alive today if the nut couldn't get a gun. But you are OK with that, right?
I would love for a gun nut to tell Dallas Green:
"Sorry about your grandaughter..but it was his RIGHT to purchase a gun, and as many as he wants, too..even an assault rifle, and hollow-point bullets... see Mr. Green, it isn't about your grandaughter's getting murdered.. it's about our right to protect ourselves.......not about her right to expect not to get murdered by a GUN in America. see Mr. Green we are OKwith the casaulties, kids, innocent victims, etc, etc., etc getting shot and killed, as long as we get to keep our guns..see. we want to PROTECT our homes and stuff....so sorry about your daughter.. I will make a special donation to the NRA in her name....."

So how do you think Dallas Green would reply????
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 11:24 am    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Actually the girls mother/father doesnt want the gun laws changed.

Moveon.org is already using this tragedy in a money raising campaign. Classic.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 3:04 pm    Post subject: Re: one Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

ERM wrote:
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I would love for a gun nut to tell Dallas Green:
"Sorry about your grandaughter..but it was his RIGHT to purchase a gun, and as many as he wants, too..even an assault rifle, and hollow-point bullets... see Mr. Green, it isn't about your grandaughter's getting murdered.. it's about our right to protect ourselves.......not about her right to expect not to get murdered by a GUN in America. see Mr. Green we are OKwith the casaulties, kids, innocent victims, etc, etc., etc getting shot and killed, as long as we get to keep our guns..see. we want to PROTECT our homes and stuff....so sorry about your daughter..


What a crock of sheet!!!!! I was hoping someone flushed the toilet, but here you are. What you rant about is no different than the police arresting a murder suspect or major drug dealer and the judge letting the guy off on a technicality, such as the cops hurt his feelings because as a youngster, someone called him a name. Both of these instances are similar in that one is as ridiculous as the other. I know most people will see past the facade of concern you portray, but to those that don't, perhaps you should all meet and jump into the vortex together!
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 6:31 pm    Post subject: Re: one Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

ERM wrote:
Dallas Green's grandaughter would be alive today if the nut couldn't get a gun. But you are OK with that, right?


Your 'logic' is wacked out wERM. You should go back to blaming things on Bush Shocked So this was an insane that went glockin' bullets. He just didn't want to serial kill and take people one by one, or kill small groups of little children at the same time by strangling, or slit the throats of four prostitutes while hanging on a suburban route, or pick 23 people off with silenced rifles from rooftops.

Give me a break wERM, with your lame rhetoric. Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 6:34 pm    Post subject: facade Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Facade? a nut buys a gun legally and murders people. What about the rights of the victims? Nuts kills people every day in America with legally-purchased guns...you are defending their right to buy guns?
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 6:40 pm    Post subject: Re: facade Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

ERM wrote:
.you are defending their right to buy guns?


It's their right! (not inferring that "nuts'" have a right to buy guns), and a question for you. Are you defending the rights (of those getting off on technicalities) of murderers, rapists, drug dealers, and other criminals who are innocent until proven guilty?
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 8:14 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Scorpion wrote:
but another random mass killing involving one of our "law makers" might jilt those who (are supposed to) represent the people into doing a more conscientious job on the hill

Republican Congressman Peter King (R-N.Y.) wants to make it illegal for someone to carry a gun within 1,000 feet of certain high-ranking federal officials, including members of Congress.


Looking out for number one.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 8:19 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Ramjet wrote:
this is just as nasty both sides.
Researchers found that American students exhibit an inferior understanding of the “equals” sign.
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Ramjet wrote: What Fox does is find terms or make terms that are not negative and harp on them until they are negative. Liberal, Death Tax, Government, If the Republicans take power "Government" will stop being used as a negative term. Unless the Dems run with it.,

C&R wrote: It's called Poisoning the Well -- we cannot have an honest conversation because Republicans have craftily poisoned the very words we use. Who controls the words controls what you believe.

But I disagree that Republican politicians would stop bad-mouthing government when they gain power. They oppose government-by-the-people because they (Republicans) bow to the rich and powerful, including the corporate elites. Rightwing Republicans are enemies of the American experiment in Democracy.

Whereas under-regulation gave us the Wall Street banking collapse and the Gulf oil spill. Now Republicans have given corporations the "constitutional" right to spend unlimited sums of money from their vast treasuries to influence future elections.

Ramjet wrote: I agree with you. Thinking back Government has always been a negative term with Republicans. I also agree with the mess being caused by lack of government regulation. or enforcement of the regulations.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 9:04 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Hey everyone...great news...Cops the tragedy leech is back. Go away assclown.
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One of the first acts of Republican Governor Jan Brewer of Arizona was to restore almost $9 million that had been cut from a mental health and drug treatment program. When the U.S. economy imploded and the state tried to balance its budget by cutting services, what Jan Brewer had fought for decades to protect was absolutely gutted, the system to treat and care for -- and to control -- people with serious mental illness.

One of the provisions of the new health reform requires health insurance companies to provide the same coverage for mental illness as they do for physical illness. Tipper Gore championed such legislation in 1996, it was greatly strengthened in 2008 in a measure signed by George W. Bush. And in health care reform, dismissed as Obamacare by political opponents, it was codified in black and white making mental health coverage the law of the land. Everyone with health insurance is due now to receive a notice making clear that if you are insured for a broken leg you can also get help for mental illness.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 13, 2011 11:27 am    Post subject: go Guns! Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

News report:" Loughner's on-campus behavior grew increasingly erratic, menacing, even delusional. Fifty-one pages of police reports released Wednesday provided a chilling portrait of Loughner's last school year, which ended in September when he was judged mentally unhinged and suspended by Pima Community College."

Yet,, the nut just walked into a gun store and bought a Glock and murdered innocent people.. how about every person who wants to buy a gun get a certificate from a shrink first? Or, how about the local police records are checked? duh? 51 pages of police reports and he walks out with a gun in minutes...must make the NRA smile...
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Here is Rush Limbaugh's advertizing billboard in Tucson, Arizona.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 13, 2011 7:29 pm    Post subject: Re: go Guns! Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

ERM wrote:
Yet,, the nut just walked into a gun store and bought a Glock and murdered innocent people.. how about every person who wants to buy a gun get a certificate from a shrink first? Or, how about the local police records are checked? duh? 51 pages of police reports and he walks out with a gun in minutes...must make the NRA smile...
You gotta take a test for a car why not a gun?


Might be the only thing I ever agree with you on slitherer, other than 'must make the NRA smile', which is your garbage rhetoric Shocked
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 1:52 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

You can never have a gun debate that includes reason. If someone says a private citizen doesnt need a military grade AR-15 someone will point out the part of the 2nd amendment that really has nothing to do with todays society. Were talking about a document written when we had no federal amry, no structured police, no structure to defend our country from invasion but the backs of citizens to be able to form militias and go to war.

What I hate about the gun debate is how in NJ, we have the toughest gun regualtions, I cant carry a weapon when I take a bank deposit, but my friend in PA doesnt leave his business to go to the bank without a gun. In NJ reenactors with flint lock and mussle loading rifles are sublect to assualt weapon laws.

While I cant buy a gun in NJ without going through a long line of legal and other red tape, I can driver 1000 miles and buy an assualt weapon without a drivers license at a random gun show.

Personally, I think we do have the right to keep arms in our homes. I think we should have equal rights to carry conceal in each state. I think we should have the same legal paperwork in each state. I think carrying a gun should be like having a drivers license. If you cant drive a car, or a pass a test, you dont get one. If you abuse your car, you loose your license. With a gun, you just pass a background or just go to a gun show and you have one. Also, I dont think safety measures on weapons, or user only tech to operate isnt such a bad idea. What is a bad idea is allowing people with mental health to own a weapon.
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I agree with last spouter about carrying hand guns. As I recently moved to Tucson az from cape may county, I have realized what kind of bubble cmc really is in. I have never owned a gun living in nj, but am seriously considering it now. The whole tragedy with what happened here is horrible only a few miles from my home, but the fact is this can happen anywhere. This event has brought everyone together in Tucson like a family. But if this happened in cmc all everyone would be doing is bickering and blaming everyone like what is going on in this post now. To me this gun law makes sense to me in az, living right near the border where the drug cartels are around, illegals jumping the border, coyotes and javalinnas and other wild animals than can harm you, yes having a gun is important here for protection it is the desert . There are laws such as u cannot have felonies or domestic violence in your past but it should a little more strict . Most people I know here are more responsible with gun carrying and protection. If this current law was enacted in Nj today, I woul be more afraid to live in Nj than Az. I could see all the thug wannabes and so called gangs throwing their guns out intimidating everyone and not mention how many :: fools :: would shoot it off by mistake.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 10:43 pm    Post subject: guns Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

The majority of murders , shooting in this country are "heat of passion" .. that means someone gets ticked off at someone else, grabs their gun, and POW! Now, do you want to see everybody in NJ carrying (age 18 and up), and how many MORE heat of passion shooting do u think will take place at bars, or on the Turnpike or at a Jets game, and definetly nin the house wherte the stats say if you own a gun, the oddsa are great that someone will be shot in the home--fact.

There are absolutely NO objective studies that have ever said that carrying a handgun reduces crime--never. Sure, you can find "studies" sponsored by the NRA, that are just a bunch of twisited spin and massaged data, etc... Can you imagine parents shooting other parents at hockey and soccer games? I can--They beat each other up now.... Keep your guns in your house and carry if there is a legit reason...just don't see carrying guns in metro areas as sane...Tuson, I've been there....yea if I'm in the desert. OK. But at a basketball game or political rally? NO....you also have some deadly snakes there.. I dislike snakes almost as much as birthers...
Here's the issue...sometime in the next couple of weeks or months..we're gonna be talking again about the latest gun murders.....right?
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