Thu, 04/01/2010 - 3:35pm - Posted by: jbean

I can't believe everyone is so hung up on the $50,000 cost per student for special services school district. You DO realize that this covers: teachers, aide (if neccessary), bus, bus aide, occupational therapist, physical therapist, speech therapist, etc. depending on what the individual student needs. $25,000 to send them to a private school??? In what world do you live?
As for $50,000 a year for a certified teacher who works for 10 (not 9 ) months, teachers receive a Bachelor's Degree and, in most cases, continue on to receive a Master's Degree. Education majors in universities are in the same school (School of Professionals) as those who become doctors and lawyers. Can you imagine what the pay would be if they did work 12 months??
Lastly, as for the pay that the head of NJEA earns---it has NOTHING to do with school funding! That person's salary is paid by union dues from the members of that union. It has nothing to do with taxpayers! Check out the salaries of other union heads--same story. Same with CEOs.
p.s. I'm not even a teacher, all I do is ask questions and get answers.

Wed, 03/31/2010 - 8:15am - Posted by: Lane Boggs

Careful Vag....

Just looked at the CMCSS budget and it seems that it is heavily funded by out of district student tuition....so the 50K is not all coming out of our pockets.

Still, wouldn't be cheaper to pay them $25K each to find private education - or homeschool? The very idea of $50,000 makes my teeth hurt.

Wed, 03/31/2010 - 8:12am - Posted by: tpmick

Will Someone tell me why Avalon & Stone Harbor K thru 8 grades are not combined??????? Look at what both towns can save.....
Look at the cost savings and how each town can use the the exixitng school Building for Public or private offices of the two towns .Plus all the parking which will be available to the public. in the summer.

Sounds to simple, So come on Governor use your hammer....Chop,Chop bloated
Schools NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

$300,000.00 per year for the Teachers Union Excutive Director....I should be so Lucky........

Wed, 03/31/2010 - 6:35am - Posted by: Twisted Oz

In this tough economy, the teachers are not our worst enemy, we are. We have and continue to allow contract negotiations that call for pay raises and benefit increases that tip the scales. One thing that has always bothered me are the salaries as reported. What people fail to realize is, when reported a teacher makes 50K per year, he/she is actually making 50K for 9 months. No big deal but some hold second jobs as lifeguards, special officers, other public employment and are therefore double dipping the system that is already sinking like a rock. I agree with mamoracat in being with Christie on this one. The lion needs to be tamed!
Note that I am from Wildwood and our overall ranking. It is frustrating to know the amount of money we are pouring into a system that is last in line.

Wed, 03/31/2010 - 1:13am - Posted by: marmoracat

Ok I can understand that it costs a bit more to educate a "special" student, but for $50,000 it sounds like they have a 1:1 student to teacher ratio.
That's a bit extreme...I have been in that school, and not every student is in need of 1 on 1 instruction from a teacher.
I'd say MAYBE 65% at the most need 1 on 1 instruction.

I'm sorry but I'm with Christie on this one. There's just too many teachers, aides, administration members, etc. Consolidate school districts, lay off unnecessary employee's.
In this day, with the local economy still in a down turn, we must learn to be efficient, and that's going to cost jobs because they're simply making too much money, and unwilling to take pay-cuts.

Tue, 03/30/2010 - 9:48pm - Posted by: jhart

Hey grouchy...if you click on the "expand" button next to the arrows below the table, it will become larger. Maybe you'll be able to see it then. Thanks for reading.

Tue, 03/30/2010 - 6:24pm - Posted by: jbean

To "Grouchy" you can enlarge the chart by clicking on the square next to the right /left arrows and then enlarge again once the new box opens.
Does anyone notice that the mainland districts (except CMCSS) are below $20, 000 per student while the island districts are above? Time to consolidate island districts---1 superintendent and administrative staff is all that's needed. As for CMCSS, I'm not surprised. These are children that often have multiple disabilities and need so much more than a student in other school districts. I don't find it 'sickening'--God bless these children and their families.

Tue, 03/30/2010 - 4:22pm - Posted by: Lane Boggs

$50,000 per student per year in CMCSS? That is sickening.

Tue, 03/30/2010 - 3:26pm - Posted by: 2 grouchy old men DO NOT run lower township

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How about a chart we can read Joe? Thanks.

Tue, 03/30/2010 - 3:14pm - Posted by: marmoracat

Take a ride around OC and SIC schools. You'll notice the teachers are all driving Mercedes-Benz's, BMW's, Porshe's...life must be good.
I'd like to see the staff to student ratio at these schools, especially SIC.
It's time for consolidation, and lay-off's. Too many teachers, too many aides, too many administrators, principals, administrative assistants etc.

Tue, 03/30/2010 - 2:39pm - Posted by: ut shafted by oc

jseway has it exactly right re what the OCHS has done to UT's costs. UT's k-8 costs are very reasonable, the OCHS tuition is what kills us. we allowed ourselves to be sold a real can of worms with that decision. besides saving us a ton of money, a UTHS would be a wonderful community facility and local job generator. instead we stupidly handed it to oc. we'll be paying for that dumb call for a long time. take a look at ochs teacher salaries, among the highest in nj. why? because ut pays the freight and we have almost no say/influence re those decisions. oc residents have no incentive to press for savings because we in ut pay for it!

Tue, 03/30/2010 - 1:13pm - Posted by: jhart

jseway...I added Upper Township in another image. sf_carter....I understand that Sea Isle only has the younger grades in its school now, however, I was just going by a state-issued report for the figures and they list Sea Isle as a K-8 school still. Thanks for reading.

Tue, 03/30/2010 - 1:04pm - Posted by: sf_carter@hotmail.com

Check your facts. Sea Isle City Public School is only a PK-4 school. And as of next year it will only be PK-3.

Tue, 03/30/2010 - 12:48pm - Posted by: jseway

Where is Upper Township? I am sure that the cost per student in Upper is far less than these. The rest of the county should look at Upper as an example. Costs have been contained in Upper Township. It a shame that the new OC high school was ever built, if a regional high school had been built in Upper, as had been proposed the high cost of the OC high school would not be an issue today.