Tue, 09/02/2008 - 10:38am - Posted by: Anonymous

Lets de-mystify a few of these *** ramblings. FACTS 1) Yes, he was on vacation. 2)Mr. Kieffer is NOT a psycho. 3) NOBODY SET UP ANYTHING! 4) Mr. Kieffer was ***, and having not remembered any of the evening(see his indictment hearing vid), I'm sure he had not intended to Kill anybody, including the police. Yes, the police should've conducted a more thorough search but handled the situation very professionally while keeping others calm and collected. I'll agree, its not wise to bring weapons on vacation OR across state lines. Even if you did just want to hit the shooting range. In retrospect, this may have been God's was of showing the families the light and guiding them towards unity rather than driving them apart. Perhaps all their devils can be addressed and conquered now(we all have them). Good luck to the whole big Kieffer crew in HBG!

-innocent bystander

Mon, 08/04/2008 - 5:13am - Posted by: Anonymous

It's a *** shame that the son of a gun-wielding maniac may never see his son (or as one blogger apparently knows, whole family) outside of jail EVER again. And for what? This man put his son's life in jeopardy by putting a loaded gun in his face (not to mention the fact he THEN had ANOTHER gun also loaded with illegal, armor-piercing bullets loaded in it) and THEN took it upon himself to threaten the lives of the OCPD as well. Who brings guns to a vacation area anyway (yes, i did say vacation as Ocean City is a usual destination for out-of-state visitors...ESPECIALLY at the location on the map that was provided which is a known time-share location)? Not only that, but to think that his son (or family), had his/their own "agenda" and thought that they would possibly threaten a frail 61 year-old man? The accused was charged with an unlawfully owned weapon which means one of two things: 1) He had a gun that he was NEVER supposed to possess because he had a previous crinimal record (most likely) and, in that light, should NEVER own, use, or even TOUCH ANY WEAPON or 2) He brought a firearm over state lines or didn't have any type of permit for...which likely wouldn't have been mentioned in the news in that respect. Nonetheless, I implore anyone that actually would support such a maniac to put their trust in JESUS CHRIST, OUR SAVIOR, and if you/they feel as though you must support such a person, that you at least take the word of the LORD to his attention. It's obvious that this mad-man had at least one demon and that by supporting this, you are only feeding the demon that felt it necessary to bring guns to, what should have been an otherwise good time at the beach. Do not follow the temptations of the devil, for there is always a light amongst such darkness. Honestly, I don't believe the one that was deferred back as a psycho would have any reason to snap if the demon is now eliminated from the son/family...only time will tell I guess.

Sat, 08/02/2008 - 3:09pm - Posted by: Anonymous

who's to say the weapon wasn't already jammed as the guy pulled it out. "just maybe" he was trying to surrender his weapon that they didn't find!!! guess nobody thought of this?
looking at all the legal stand-points, a benefit of the doubt should be given here, don't you think? sure, it would look like pulling a weapon, as he would have taken it from his "would-be" armpit.

I know I would have thought the same as the officer(s)
but from a legal standpoint, maybe from the tussle with the family, he had tried to pull it and it jammed then, and re-placed it into his armpit.
hmm......
going to be interesting come trial time. :)
Do you need a good attorney Mr. Kieffer? You better believe you do.
Let's see that you get one too.

Fri, 08/01/2008 - 11:11am - Posted by: Anonymous

Well let's see, for starters I DO NOT want to play Monday morning quarterback but c'mon. This is a perfect case of officers becoming complacent and not treating everyone as a threat. In New Jersey WE are taught in the police academy to handcuff a subject with his hands behind him/her, if they are to big, and are not flexible, use two sets of handcuffs. Well lets give the officer the benefit of the doubt, maybe because he/she works in Ocean City he/she hasn't handcuffed many people. The officer was very fortunate to be able go home and see his family at the end of the shift. But maybe won't be next time. Please be smart and stay safe out there.

Tue, 07/29/2008 - 3:18pm - Posted by: Anonymous

Im on the job in northern New jersey and one of the things the i always remember is not to get complacent and become lazy. Thats when cops get killed. I dont like to play monday morning quarterback because we all know that's what brass is for but Ladies and gentlemen please think of officer saftey and at the end of our tour we all go home to our loved ones.

be safe

po cabezon

Tue, 07/29/2008 - 9:40am - Posted by: Anonymous

Hey guys of the OCPD, I hope he went to the hospital as a result of his injuries sustained in the tussle over the gun! Just a reminder to the people who doubt the amount of crime in Cape May County. We do take our life in our hands everyday to protect all of you from people like this. Good job guys! Learn from it andStay Safe!

Mon, 07/28/2008 - 6:32pm - Posted by: Anonymous

Who searched this guy???????????????????????????

9. NO SEARCH OR POOR SEARCH: There are too many places to hide a weapon that if you fail to search you are guilty of committing a crime against other officers that will have contact with your prisoner. Many people carry weapons and are able and ready to use them on you. Never assume that the next guy or the jailer will do a "GOOD" search.

THE TEN DEADLY ERRORS
10 Deadly Sins 10 Deadly Errors of Law Enforcement or Police work

1. LACK OF CONCENTRATION: If you fail to keep your mind on the job while on patrol or carry home problems into the field, you start to make errors. It can cost you and your fellow officers their lives.

2. TOMBSTONE COURAGE: Just what it says, if time allows wait for backup. There are very few instances where you should try and make a dangerous apprehension unaided.

3. NOT ENOUGH REST: to do your job you must be alert. Lack of sleep or being sleepy can endanger yourself, the community and fellow officers.

4. TAKING A BAD POSITION: Never let anyone you are questioning or about to stop get in a better position than you are. THERE IS NO SUCH ANIMAL AS A ROUTINE STOP!!!

5. NOT HEEDING DANGER SIGNS: As a cop you will get to recognize "danger signs". Movements, strange cars, warnings that should alert you to watch your step and approach with caution. Know your beat and watch for what is out of place.

6. FAILURE TO WATCH THE HANDS OF A SUSPECT: Is he or she reaching for a weapon or getting to smack you? WHERE ELSE CAN A KILLER STRIKE FROM, BUT FROM THEIR HANDS!!!!

7. RELAXING TOO SOON: YES, the rut of false alarms are accidental or whatever. Still, observe the activity. NEVER take any call as routine or just another false alarm. It could be your ass on the line.

8. IMPROPER HANDCUFFING: Once you have made the arrest, handcuff the prisoner CORRECTLY! See that the hands that can kill you are safely secured.

9. NO SEARCH OR POOR SEARCH: There are too many places to hide a weapon that if you fail to search you are guilty of committing a crime against other officers that will have contact with your prisoner. Many people carry weapons and are able and ready to use them on you. Never assume that the next guy or the jailer will do a "GOOD" search.

10. DIRTY OF INOPERATIVE WEAPON: Is your sidearm clean? How about the bullets? Did you clean your weapon since the last range? Or have you even shot or practiced drawing your weapon recently? Can you hit your target in a combat situation? You must practice faithfully and religiously.

* Remember to practice safe gun handling at all times when cleaning or drawing for practice. Also, remember the 1 + 1 rule, if you find one weapon during a search, there is another, or if there is one suspect, there is another. NEVER STOP WHAT IFING!

Mon, 07/28/2008 - 6:11pm - Posted by: Anonymous

Lousy police work if they could pat down a guy and miss a gun that size. Tactical shirt my as s it sounds like the guy had on a magician's hat to pull that off or the cops just didn't know what they were doing

Mon, 07/28/2008 - 5:00pm - Posted by: Anonymous

"The weapon was described as a 10mm Glock semi-automatic handgun, which contained 12 hollow-point bullets."
Hey, OCPD: Don't forget to charge this clown with possessing a magazine that holds more than 10 rounds! I believe this would be a 4th degree crime, so pile it on!
Somebody needs a refresher on searches. Glad no one got hurt. Hopefully all cops will learn from this.

Mon, 07/28/2008 - 3:59pm - Posted by: Anonymous

you sure seem to know alot about this story mr *** man.
storyline reads that you might be a relative to this.
i have stirred up enough here, just nice to see people in their hometowns taking pride and caring for theirs!! Good Job.
as for what happened, it really is a shame. that mans family especially. wow.

......end.....

Mon, 07/28/2008 - 3:54pm - Posted by: Anonymous

god graces all of us as his children, right or wrong. we shall all face judgement in the end.
god even has psycho children, who will answer in the end.
peace to all mankind and let freewill reign. Now be nice Mr. *** man!

Mon, 07/28/2008 - 3:48pm - Posted by: Anonymous

not sure who is protecting who if anybody. everyone is always so quick to judgement when it comes to guns. something obviouly had to trigger the event. Notwithstanding, there may have been hidden agendas, don't think anyone really knows. but psycho calling the psycho psycho? your shrink may wish to read your comments to see if you aren't next to snap! don't push your thoughts on the public to badmouth someone who has open eyes to details. Hear and see all the "facts" before judgement.

Besides, how do you know he was on vacation? I didn't read that anywhere.....

Mon, 07/28/2008 - 1:01pm - Posted by: Anonymous

Since people seem to want to defend the guilty man with a gun or attack shoobies and not address what is truely important in the article. I would like to say to the officer and his family that I am glad everything worked out safely. It must have been a tramatic and trying time for the officers and their families involved I'm glad he came home safely. God Bless and continue to be safe!

Mon, 07/28/2008 - 11:09am - Posted by: Anonymous

as a distant family memeber of Martin K I feel that he is where he should be IN JAIL
violence and intemidation extreem drug use has been a way of life for this creep
keep him in jail the world will be a much safer place .
Thank God no inocent people or police were injured by this criminal .

Mon, 07/28/2008 - 11:02am - Posted by: Anonymous

Hidden agenda just because he brought a firearm on vacation? Granted, it was probably illegal for him to bring one. I bring mine wherever I go in the entire United States. I have a nationwide concealed carry permit. What I can't believe is how a man who was supposedly properly handcuffed and searched by the arresting officer was able to still have a large frame semi-auto pistol on his person and then access it. Having arrested hundreds of felons in my lifetime, I know first hand what must be done to protect yourself and the citizens around you. With my years of experience I cannot believe the mistakes made. Hopefully all those involved will learn a valuable lesson so in the future there are not any tragic results on another call. I have buried friends who made mistakes like this and it is always a horrible tragedy.

Mon, 07/28/2008 - 9:56am - Posted by: Anonymous

OCPD needs to take a long, hard, look at their training and procedures. For a cuffed prisoner to be in possession of a weapon, after being arrested for possesion of ANOTHER weapon, speaks volumes about a lack of either training or execution, or both, on the part of OCPD. Further, the story implies the prisoner was cuffed in front rather than behind his back.

Thank goodness no officers were hurt or killed, but its time for OCPD to go back to school before this happens again.

Mon, 07/28/2008 - 2:01am - Posted by: Anonymous

Maybe the psycho that protects a psycho should be in jail too! How could his family set this *** up when he brings guns to a family's vacation? He obviously had a hidden agenda. Anyone who thinks different is probably the one that is his second in command...

Sun, 07/27/2008 - 9:54pm - Posted by: Anonymous

talk about violent, you sure need to calm down. as for knowing the whole story, I indeed know all the details of this. thanks for your input though. Just so you know, it truly is a shame innocent people were put into this mix, and I do have to say I am glad nobody got hurt during this time. everyone did their job to diffuse it and went home to their families!

Sun, 07/27/2008 - 9:17pm - Posted by: Anonymous

How did his family set him up for this in any way? If you don't know the entire story, shut the **** up and stay out of it!!!!!

Sun, 07/27/2008 - 8:16pm - Posted by: Anonymous

Remember just that when you visit to your northwest :)

Sun, 07/27/2008 - 5:17pm - Posted by: Anonymous

I hope that *** got his butt handed to him by the OCPD.

It's bad enough that we have to deal with the increase in minor property crimes that occur when our shoobie guests grace us with their presence during the summer months. Now, one of these *** tried to kill our cops!

Welcome to New Jersey. NOW GO HOME!

Sun, 07/27/2008 - 3:19pm - Posted by: Anonymous

it's a real shame his family set him up for this fall. knowing he would have to protect himself being away from home... setup in the making...
You shall prevail Mr. Kieffer. The good man says so!